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5959 SW 71 ST_EB-91-134 1.s s City of South Miami 6130 Sunset Drive, South Miami, Florida 33143 November 6, 1991 Miami Vila Hotel 5959 SW 71 Street S. MIAMI, FL 33143 Dear Applicant: This letter is to inform you that your request for the approval of Final Landscaping & Rear Elevation was presented to the Environmental Review and Preservation Board (ERPB) at their regularly scheduled meeting on November 5, 1991, and was APPROVED 4/0 based on the following conditions(s) : REM MIT CANOPY APPLICATION FOR PERMIT: ARCHITECT'S DISCRETION TO FOLLOW THE BOARD'S DIRECTIVES: STAFF TO CHECK & CHAIRMAN TO SIGN In Addition: Final approval by the ERPB is not authorization to begin construction. You must receive a valid Building Permit after approval by the ERPB. Applications for Building Permits for single-family residential projects will be processed and issued as soon as possible after ERPB f inal . approval. All other permit applications must observe a fifteen (15) day ERPB appeal period before such permits can be issued. x Revised drawings for Chairman's signature must be submitted. All submissions must be received in the Building & Zoning Department. Final decision by the ERPB may be appealed to the City Commission by written request to the City Clerk within fifteen (15) days of said decision. , Final approval by the ERPB shall elapse after six (6) months if no permit is issued, except as may be extended by the ERPB for a period of not to exceed six (6) months. If you have any questions concerning this matter, please, contact me between the hours of 8:00 AM and 5:00 PM, Monday through Friday, at 663-6325. Please refer to file # EB-91-134. Sincerely, Bill Mackey Planner T REQUISITES FOR C.O. MIAMI VILA FINAL INSPECTIONS: METRO FPRE DEPARTMENT MECHANICAL A/C ELECTRICAL PLUMBING ETC. LETTER OF RELEASE FROM MIAMI DADE WATER AND SEWER �. LETTER OF ACCEPTANCE FROM SEWER DEPARTMENTII- � 1 CATALOG FROM THE MANUFAGTURE OF EACH APPLIANCES FOR EXAMPLE: KITCHEN EQUIPMENT, EXTRATOR EQUIPMENT, SMOKE DETECTORS, AIR CONDITION COOLING TOWER, CHILLER, REFIGERATOR, WATER PUMPS, DRAINAGE, ETC. A CERTIFICATE OF ELEVATION BY A SURVEYOR. FINAL COPIES OF THE STRUCTURAL INSPECTOR (BELFRANIN) ALL SIGNED AND 1 SEAL LETTER FROM THE STRUCTURAL INSPECTOR THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE ACCORDING TO PLANS, SIGNED BY HIM ( IT MUST BE SEALED. AND CERTIFIED) AN SPECIFICATION FROM A ENGINEER THA'.t ALL GLASS WINDOWS ARE APPROVED BY THE FLORIDA CODE (HURRICANE RESIS'.'!ANCE) A PLAN FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT HAS TO BE PRESENTED WITH THE ELEVATION PLANS BEFORE NOV. 5th. THE PLANS HAVE TO SPECIFIED ALL THE PLANTS NAMES INCLUDING THE ONES ON THE COURTYARD. /�. , C=TY OF SOUTH M=OM= INTER-OFFICE MEMORANDUM To: Sonia Lama, AIA Date: October 15, 1992 Building & Zoning Director 5_9&L/5-6 s r,J 7 v S7_ From: Bill Mackey Re: HOTEL MIAMI VILA Planner SIGNAGE REJECTION Please, find the history of the Hotel Miami Vila__signage requests before the Environmen a-1�Revi=ew a—nd"Pyeservation Board to date. / 04/0.3_/-90-:� Final approval was given to the overall project with the Y understanding that signage "would be located above the arch on the front entrance within the recess". Motion made by Jan Hochstim. APPROVED: 5-0. ✓07/16/91: First request for signage by Bengis Signs was denied, because the "design does not follow that which was approved by this Board" . Motion made by Jan Hochstim. /DENIAL APPROVED: 7-0. `/j 03/03/%j? Second request for signage as prepared by Bengis Signs r and presented by hotel management was approved for signage to be placed above the recess and on the arch. Jan Hochstim was absent from the meeting. APPROVED: 4-0. V /L `/­0_6­/­92_.-7- New 0 request for signage was presented with an overall reduction of lettering size to be placed above the recess and on the arch as approved by the Board. Jan Hochstim made a motion to "deny based on the incompatibility with the approved original intention of location and types of signage" . DENIAL APPROVED: 5-0. Excerpted copies of Minutes. and reduced drawings are attached. t Represented By: D.W. Shuey and Associates Mr. Don Shuey signed in. Mr. Hochstim moved for approval on condition that the applicant return with considerable modifications to the facade reflecting the comments and suggestions made by the Board today. In particular, the square, recessed windows in relation to the vertical arched windows. Also, the way in which the blocks wrap around corners and the way they are supported from below. Options for changes or modifications are up to the Architect in creating another preliminary as suggested by Mr. Hochstim rather than proceeding with the working drawings which would be a risk at this point. Mr. Saez seconded. Vote: Approved: 5 Opposed: 0 K. EB-89-172 118 Room Hotel (Final) Applicant: Secisa''Internationah' Address: 5952/5956 SW 70 St. y Represented By: Alfredo Julien \e� Comments: The preliminary request was approved by the Board on December 19, 1989. Mr. Julien signed in and displayed a model of the proposed project, The Miami Villa Hotel. There is a discrepancy between the model and the working drawings regarding the span between the glasses on the front facade being too large. It was agreed that the drawings were correct. Mr. -Julien understands,-z--that he -w:il-1-be _ . _ 'again .: t, required to appear _ before� this 'Board for the addition.. of awnings and signage which would be located above the arch on the front entrance within the recess: Mr. Hochstim-inade a motion for approval subject to the following changes: 1. The pylons on all four corners be raised to include the parapet. 2. A horizontal band completely around the building to match the one on the side elevation. Seconded by Mr. Shaw. Vote: ,r �ipproved: 5' `, Opposed: 0 RECOMMENDATION: The above proposals (Items A thru K) comply with the Land Development Code of the City of South Miami. 4. Remarks. 5. The Minutes of March 20, 1990 were approved by unanimous vote ERPB Minutes 4 4-3-90 H. EB-91-074 Signage Applicant: Grisel Orrs Address: 5868 SW 72 Street Represented By: Diaz & Herman Laurel Herman signed in. The Board discussed the proposed drawings following which Mr. Hochstim moved to approve. Seconded by Ms. Wolfsohn. Vote: Approved: 6 Opposed: 0 Abstention: 1 (Greene) I. EB-91-075 Signage Applicant: Hotel Miami Villa Address: 5959 SW 71 Street Represented By: Chris Mann Mr. Jerry Bengis of Bengis Signs signed in. The Board reviewed the drawings. Mr. Hochstim moved to deny due to the fact. that. this design does not follow that which was approved ;by _,this Board at a meeting"`Wf 04-' 03-9q, whicY stated' tYiat the sign: would be_,;placed wit3i h=the recess`•of,'the- arch. f1r-The exact location was shown on the architect's preliminary drawings. Seconded by Ms. Wolfsohn. Vote: Denial approved: 74 Opposed: 0 RECOMMIMATION: The above proposals comply with the adopted City of South Miami Land Development Code. 4. Remarks: None. 5. Approval of Renovation of the Sylva G. Martin Building. Mayor Cathy McCann addressed the Board, at their request. Mrs. McCann advised the Board, on the subject of tree trimming as had appeared in the Minutes of a recent ERPB meeting, that this issue will appear on the City Commission agenda at their July 23rd meeting. The landscape portion of the City Code states that trees will be planted which will grow to a normal height and have a particular crown, etc. The problem is one of not letting the trees grow but excess trimming, which occurs all too often. The Tree Committee is also concerned as to who actually trims the trees and ERPB Minutes 4 07-16-91 M = N U T E S Environmental Review & Preservation Board Commission Chambers March 3 , 1992 9:00 AM 1. Call to order 2 . Roll Call Present Absent Joe Shaw Jan Hochstim Susan Wilson Stanley Greene Suzanne Wolfsohn Diane Rubin-Wright Phil Jesmer Also present: Planner Mackey and Board Secretary DeLIsa. 3 . Requests for approval: Trn A. EB-91-075 Signage Resvis n Applicant: Miami Vila Hotel Address: 5959 SW 71 Street Represented By: Alicia Franquet and Paolo Villela Alice Franquet and Paolo Villela signed in. Mr. Jesmer moved for approval, seconded by Ms. Wilson. Vote: Approved: 4 Opposed: 0 B. EB-92-025 Single Family Residence Addition Bathroom & Study Applicant: William & Cecilia Prahl Address: 5870 SW 86 Street Represented By: Michael Allen Given Mr. Given signed in. The Board reviewed the plans. Ms. Wilson moved for approval. Seconded by Mr. Jesmer. Vote: Approved: 4 Opposed: 0 C. EB-92-026 Single Family Residence Addition Garage Enclosure Applicant: Jose de Vivero Address: 5845 SW 88 Street Represented By: Self ERPB Minutes 1 03-03-92 Address: 6646 SW 78 Terrace Represented By: Self Ms . Wilson moved to approve, seconded by Mr. Jesmer. Vote: Approved: 4 Opposed: 1 k ' (Wolfsohn) Um A; F T, 8. EB-92-125 Fence (Residential) Applicant: Fernando Tello Address: 5620 SW 59 Court Represented By: Self Ms. Wilson moved to approve, seconded by Ms. Wolfsohn. Vote: Approved: 5 Opposed: 0 9. EB-92-126 Signage (Commercial) Applicant: Hotel Miami Vila Address: 5939 SW 71 Street Represented By: Bengis Signs Inc. Mr. Chris Mann, signed in representing Bengis Signs, Inc. Upon reviewing the plans, Ms. Wolfsohn asked if this is part of the original signage plan to which Mr. Mann replied that it is more or less the same, there was originally an approval for this with the name "The Hotel Vila" . This application is also the change the name to "The Vila Hotel" . The previously approved plan was never erected. The Board remembered that the original approval was for an entirely different plan where the sign was to be hung in the arch, there was no box sign, the wall signs were not to be illuminated but.bronz-e_p.laques used instead M -Hochstiimt m0V- ,ed mi to "deny based on ' incompatiY ility with the� approved_. orbj-rhAl ntent�.on2of location and types:of sgnage. Seconded by Mr. Shaw. Mr. Hochstim clarified his motion saying that in absence of the documentation at this meeting his motion is based only on his recollection and even though he believes his recollection to be clear, he has clear conscience in denying this application. Vote: D a Approed '5 wOpposed.0 10. EB-92-127 Awning and Sign (Commercial) Applicant: John Ludwig Address: 5809 Sunset Drive JL-IL I DMUR-- ELI O- Cvz/Fir, i7 F-I IF71 , REJECTED SSGNAGE 07/1G/91 APPROVED S =GNAGE 3 / 3 /92 f 14 i, IL IR AL : 1710,, r - i���'V" i r \� 567✓/� REJECTED S =GNAGE 10/ 3 /92 f Verbatim of Item K. EB-89-172 ERPB meeting of April 3 , 1990 Applicant: Secisa International Address: 5952/5956 SW 70 St Represented by: Alfredo Julien Comments: The preliminary request was approved by the Board on December 9, 1989. Mr. Julien signed in and displayed a model of the proposed project, The Miami Villa Hotel. Shaw: "Secisa International, 5952/5956 SW 70 Street, as presented by Alfredo Julien. Under comments., 'the preliminary request was approved by the Board on December 19th, 1989. ' If you folks that are going to be speaking will sign in, I'd appreciate it. Those of you who will be speaking, if you will sign in and read your name and address into the record, please. " . . . . . . . . . . . Bellon Group Architects, 11020 N. Kendall Drive. "Angel Mellanis, I represent Bellon Group Architects. "And my name is Alfredo Julien, I'm with Secisa International. We were here back in December, 19th in 1989 for the preliminary review of the building and now we're coming before you for the final. We've done the model to show you what we are proposing to do. The drawings are complete and we feel that we have followed through on the drawings that we had showed you originally. The building has not changed at all and we are here for you to look at it. The building has, as you look at the front elevation, is the same. The courtyard, which we had spoken about, is the same and the parking garage, which is the same, which are the three parts of the building that I call the three parts that were the most important comments that were spoken about last time. If you all will look at the model and have any questions, I will be more than glad to answer them. Hochstim: "There is a difference between the model and the elevation on the glass enclosure. Is that going to be reflected in the working drawings because they're not. You can come up forward, I'll show you. . . . . Shaw: "Bring the mike with you when you come. Let me read into the .record from the original application. 'Mr. Hochstim moved for approval of the preliminary improvements on the front facade only with the continued refinement of the proposal and the rejection of all of the other three facades. ' Hochstim: "There seems to be a discrepancy between the elevation and the model. We'd like to know which one is correct. Obviously, they're going to build from the working drawings, not from the model. ERPB Minutes 1 04-03-90 Julien: "Yes, we have to build from the working drawings. Hochstim: "So this is incorrect then? Julien: "That's incorrect. Architect: "There was a change made. Julien: "The span between the glass is too large so it has to be a tighter. . . . Hochstim: "That's a much nicer . . . . It wasn't consistent with the architecture. Wolfsohn: "What are you going to do for security for your tourists? Julien: "In what. . .. Wolfsohn: "When they leave the building. Architect: "From the parking garage? Wolfsohn: "Any place. Hochstim: "They're architects. In all due respect. Wolfsohn: "The building is beautiful. Hochstim: "That's all we're approving. The thing is. . . Julien: "As far as security, we feel the area is safe. I have walked in the evenings. My office is right there. Wolfsohn: "I've been in the tourism business for 15 years and my concern is that people will come back the second year. That's the only way you can succeed, if people keep coming back. My great concern is because of where it is, that if I came the first year, I would certainly never. . .because I'm a travel wholesaler Julien: "We have security in the building, within the parking garage. We will have security officers. Wolfsohn: "They do have to leave the building. They're tourists. . . .convention center. Julien: "This faces another building on 70th Street. We feel this is the entrance to the building, it's not a problem. The problem may on the garage side of the building and there, we have security. We have 24. . . Wolfsohn: "They wouldn't be walking on that side. ERPB Minutes 2 04-03-90 i Julien: "Not on that side, they'll be driving on that side. We feel that all the pedestrian will be occurring on this side and there are some new development occurring in the area. Wolfsohn: "Yeah, but right now the one which we just saw will be in that area, that's great. Julien: "That one is just down the street, right. And then, there'll be an eight story building Metro-Dade is building next to the Metrorail station. So there's some development now occurring in the area which, I think, is a positive sign. And, like I said, if there is a problem, it's going to be on the rear side and I think we've taken care of that with the security measures that we've taken. We met with the City Manager and spoken to him about the security problem and we will have some more meetings with him. Hochstim: "I think that this is something that can be done, at least . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (not understandable) . Julien: "We are planning to have awnings that come down. . . Saez: "Good because that goes along with the problem I have. I want to see where your sign is going to be as part of the building and I'd like to see if you're going to put any awnings or otherwise I want to see them on this drawing or on this model or both, actually. Julien: "Okay, well, the awnings are something that. . . . . Saez: "Not that I mind them, okay, but it's part of the design. Julien: "It's something that, I mentioned it and it's not shown on the model and it's not shown on the drawings. It's something that, as developers, we're looking at doing it. We haven't studied it yet but I think it's a. . . Saez: "I have it as questions here. I was going to bring that up because. . . Julien: "And the signage will be placed in here, the setback between the two columns. They will not be on the street or the right-of-way or anything like that. It'll be inside that arch, exactly. Saez: "Do you mean behind it or on that beam, on the curved beam? You're talking about putting it on the beam? Julien: "Following the arch or above the arch. Hochstim: "No, underneath the arch. It's too high already. ERPB Minutes 3 04-03-90 Saez: "For the type of architecture that you're dealing with, some sort of a bar or. . . . . Is there a way to just stop the front upper floors from slipping down the columns? Hochstim: "I think that we can carry this band across, lower this. . Architect: "To carry the—this is pre-cast so we're going to take the pre-cast across this way. Saez: "Right, you don't even have to carry it all the way across, if you come in one column just to get the corner set. Hochstim: "Oh, no, it still needs it because right now it still looks like its. . . . . . . . . Baez: "I mean it doesn't mean you have to support it on every point, you can support it on some and let the other ones ride if need be. Are the combs pre-cast or stucco painted? What kind of pre-cast is it? Is it stone or architectural concrete. What color. .is it painted after or is it the concrete's going to be this color? Architect: "Like this, no, no, it's integral with the concrete. Saez: "And your window sills that stick out, are they white in there, I mean, is that also pre-cast? Architect: "Those are. . . . . Saez "No, you see where the window. . .you see this here. I'm just looking at your drawing because although I am impressed by the. . . Architect: "The window sills. Those are pre-cast. Saez: "Those are pre-cast, in other words, this one is pre-cast. Same color? Architect: "Same color. Saez: "And then the panels in between are stucco. What color are the window frames? Architect: "We're looking at doing them in white. Saez: "White? OK. Shaw: "Do we have a landscape plan in here? Julien: "Yes, there's a landscape.. . . Shaw: "I'm still searching for it. ERPB Minutes 4 04-03-90 Julien: "Oh, it's in the other set. That's not the set, that's not the set. Shaw: "Now, will the landscape plan be part of this final? Julien: ""Yes. Shaw: "OK Saez: "May I ask, the working drawings are not completed, in other words, in particular to the front elevation, ok? Julien: "Yes, they're right here. Saez: "Wonderful, good, I can see. . . Architect: "There's not a landscape plan in that one. He's bringing the completed sets. Saez: "I don't want to see this, I want to see this one. There's some definite changes here. Have you submitted this? Julien: "Yes. Saez: "OK, so you have submitted this as. . .and this is what we're going to be going by? Julien: "Yes. Saez: "OK, you don't mind if I look at this? Julien: "No, no, no no. Shaw: "Let me ask a question on the landscaping. What's this dimension in here? Julien: "It should be 10 feet. Shaw: "OK, and how much of an overhang do we have? Julien: "From the building? Shaw: "Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to have an awning. Julien: "This is the rear of the building. This is the front. Saez: "I found it. This is the front, front. Good. This is the side elevation. What type of windows are you using? Will this be the first hotel here? Hochstim: "I move subject to following changes; that the pylons on all four corners be raised to include the parapet and that a ERPB Minutes 5 04-03-90 horizontal band at the front elevation matches the side elevation and that's it. Shaw: "Do I have a second? Shaw: "I'll second it for purposes of discussion. Any further comments? Rubin-Wright: "Jan, let me ask you a question. Does that band Hochstim: "Wonder if the color is a little too strong. I just. . . tone it down a bit but I don't. . . . Julien: "You liked it the first time, Mr. Hochstim. Hochstim: "I did but now I see the model differently. I think of the. . .remember when the Biltmore came out, originally it was the burnt sienna. Julien: "That's right, that's right. It's similar to the Biltmore. Hochstim: "You're trying to match the Biltmore? Well, try using Biltmore colors. They're not as. . . . Saez: "only if you painted the windows in green. If you did the windows in green, it would be fine. Julien: "Not City Hall, the hotel. Saez: "The hotel , yes. I know the Biltmore very well and the windows are green. Julien: "They're green? Saez: "Yes. Sort of a pale green, not light. To a more subdued. Shaw: "Any further discussion? Rubin-Wright.: "Jan, would you want that band to go round to the back side of the building also? It looks different because the horizontal band, there's a concrete wall back there that's the lighter color on the bottom. Hochstim: "Does it go around? Rubin-Wright: "You might want to take a look. Just take a look at it because its different. Saez: But, what she's saying, what I'm saying, what we were talking about the front is a matter of . . . .even if it's a different color, carry it around. At least then, and of course, the column ERPB Minutes 6 04-03-90 to go to the top. In other words, you can still leave that there but just. .. Hochstim: "All you need is a little band, that's all . Saez: "Bring them there and let this. .it doesn't have to be the same height, in other words,the same level but it could . . . .this would just be a different color. Julien: "It's a different color. Shaw: "Does the motion maker accept that amendment? Hochstim: "Yes. I do. Shaw: "Any further discussion? Hochstim: "Yes. No parking signs for pigeons on ledges. Saez: "Ok, you made the motion, there is a :second with an amendment, you accepted it and we're on to the discussion ? Shaw: "Right. Saez: "OK, I'd like to add, 'sign and any kind of awnings now. ' Julien: "Can we come back for it because we're not prepared. Saez: "Give us an idea where you're going to do it. Julien: "The awnings, we plan on putting them in between the columns. Saez: "OK. Round, square, sloped? Julien: "Have you seen the ones at the Colonnade? Saez: "Yes. Julien: "Just like that. Rubin-Wright: "Can you do that with your. . .doesn't that put you beyond your property line? Julien: "We're keeping within our. . .no, we still have 2 - 3 feet of landscaping that's on our property line. Saez: "Ok, then, at the very entrance, are you going to have a canopy there, too? Julien: "At this point, I don't believe so. ERPB Minutes 7 04-03-90 Saez: "No canopy there. Julien: "'No canopy, just the signage. Saez: "Just a sign at the top of. . .ok, fine. Your bougainvillea inside that corridor isn't going to live. There's not enough lighting in there to make that. . . .it requires a tremendous amount of sun. If you put it outside, you might have a better chance. Hochstim: "Now, they have to come back with the sign and awnings anyway so this is strictly a recommendation that—right now, what we're approving is 'as is' and any signage you have to come before US. Julien: "Right, and the awnings. Shaw: "Ok, on the motion, all in favor indicate by saying aye. Rubin-Wright: "Aye. Shaw: "Do I hear any more ayes? I've heard one aye so far. All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye. Opposed. The motion carries 5 - 0. " ERPB Minutes 8 04-03-90 H. EB=.911-074 Signage �pplicant: G\isel Orrs ddres�s: 588 SW 72 Street eprese�nted By: Diaz\ & Herman J an sign\d in. The oard discus sed the pr posed draings hick Mr. Hochstim moved to approve. econded b Ms. Approve: 6 Opp ed: 0 Abstention: 1 (Greene) VERBATIM I. EB-91-075 Signage Applicant: Hotel Miami Villa Address: 5959 SW 71 Street Represented By: Chris Mann Mr. Jerry Bengis of Bengis Signs signed in. Shaw: "Hotel Miami Villa. Hochstim: "That's really crowding that arch, isn't it, with that signage? When we originally approved that project, we specifically put limits where the signs go. Bengis: "That's the only place you can put it on that building. Hochstim: "No, but we already did that originally. . When we originally approved the project, we told them exactly where the signs go and no other places and that was not the place where we put the sign. Bengis: "That I was not aware of. Hochstim: "Could we get the original approval drawings? Mackey: "That is the approved drawings. Hochstim: "Nope, it was not. Mackey: " . . .above the door. Hochstim: "Not that way. Mackey: "Not that way? Hochstim: "hope, we had a specifically designated area. If you look ERPB Minutes 4 07-16-91 at the preliminary approval of the project that was. . . Rubin-Wright: "You remember where it was or. . . Hochstim: "I don't remember but it wasn't on an arch. Not the way it was shown here. Nope. Even the size and everything else was given. Wolfsohn: "How do we get a copy of the preliminary plans? Mackey: "I can go upstairs and try to find them. Hochstim: "I am absolutely sure that this was not the sign. Wolfsohn: "Why don't we just adjourn for a second? Wilson: "I don't know that you need a really large distinguishing sign because this place is self explaining what it is. Hochstim: "Not only that but this crowds the arch and it just obliterates the whole architectural character of the arch. Wilson: "I think a little bronze sign at the left of the door. Hochstim: "In fact, that what they had, they had plaques, I think, on the columns. Originally, that's what it was. Two plaques on the columns. Wolfsohn: "You're not aware of anything that was planned? Bengis: "We got involved in this through an interior designer who sent us these plans with this sign drawn on it and, of course, the sign that we drew spatially is perfect. I mean, there's no problem with it in there, it's just that, unfortunately, because of the 30 square feet we had to compress it in a little bit. You know, Bill told me, there's only about 30 square feet in there. You see, we had. . . .if you take engineer's calculations, we had 30 square feet but if they square off the whole thing, we had about 47 square feet when you took the logo and you took the name and you. . .with the opening. . . Wolfsohn: "I don't think the issue is the size of the sign, I think the issue is the quality of the building. Bengis: "Well, it will become, I mean 30 square feet is very, very -small for a building that size. Hochstim: "Mr. . . . .we originally approved it . . . Bengis: "I didn't know anything about that. That was never called to my attention. ERPB Minutes 5 07-16-91 Hochstim: "No, no, we specifically requested that the architect place. . . .give us location and sizes where the signs go and we're sure that this is. . .I mean, obviously, that was a condition of the approval of the preliminary. Bengis: "Again, that's none of my. . .I, unfortunately, did not know anything about that. Wilson: "Is there one L or two L's in Villa? Bengis: "It's spelled properly there, whatever it is. I think it's only one. Wolfsohn: "It's two L's in Villa. Wilson: "Well., I know in Spanish, this is Portuguese. Greene: "I can't comment on the original comments of the Board but I comment on this particular sign that I think the style is fine and the logo is fine but the sign just takes up too much within the stonework and. . . Hochstim: "It should be a narrow strip across the top and that's it. Wilson: "I think a plaque on the side wall would be. . . Hochstim: "That was the original intent. Even with what Mr. Greene is saying now, I am absolutely, when I see it right now, even if there was no requirement other than that, it just obliterates the whole idea of the arch so. . . Greene: "I think the scale of the lettering and the logo just needs to be reduced. Everything could remain as is if it could, be reduced, maybe. . . . . Bengis: "You could not reduce the name any more. . .reverse channel to solid neon, there's no room to put neon in there now. Greene: "Well, I'm not commenting on the design of the writing. . Bengis: "That's -silhouette., you know, silhouette's off. Hochstim: "It should be one single line, for instance, it doesn't have to be in two lines, right? Bengis: "Only if you eliminate the logo. Hochstim: "No, you can still do that and just. . . . . Bengis: "No, you see, you can't. What happens, the electrodes get too close to the letter. If you go below 10 inches, you have. . .you ERPB Minutes 6 07-16-91 can get shorts, you can get fires. You just can't. . .there's just not enough room to work with neon. Just have to eliminate the neon, then, that's it. Greene: "You're saying that you can go down to 10 inches with the neon? Backlight? Bengis: "Well, not in that style of the hotel the Via style because you've got the s. . . . . . . . there, there's just no room. That's as small as we can go right now unless they change the style of their letter. That's as small. .that's really as tiny as you can. . .that's probably the smallest sign that we're putting up in the next year, it's so small. Wilson: "I think, to me, there's not going to ever be a problem for identification for this hotel. It's obviously the only hotel in the area. People are coming knowing where they're going. It's not a place you're looking for that you're going . . . .if there were a batch of hotels there, yes you'd need a sign. Bengis: "You want to hear an interesting story, not to cut it off. I was in Maine one time. Unfortunately, very sick and I was looking for the Hilton by the airport in Banf and up in Maine they do not like signs and I literally, I had terrible asthmatic infection in my chest. I just wanted to get into this hotel, it was raining and cold. I must have passed this big building 5 times. Finally, I asked a cop and the cop says it's right there. There was not one name on that building. I walked into the manager, huffing and puffing and I thought I was going to die and I said to him, "why don't you have some identification on this sign. I mean, I'm in the sign business back in Miami but why have no identification and he says, 'what for? I know where it is. "' The thinking of that is really very difficult. Let's not let that happen down here, please. South Miami's getting difficult enough to do any kind of thing in. And we try to do nice signs Everybody here, I think, knows Bengis Associates. We're not doing anything . . .if you want to eliminate the neon on the logo at least give them some kind of identification. Hochstim: "They're entitled to identification and they will get identification. Obviously, it's required. It was designed by the architect specifically where he wanted it. Bengis: "Again, nobody told us that. I just hate to go through all these expensive drawings and everything without being told all this stuff. Hochstim: "Well, because I have a feeling that even the architect right now is sort of by-passing the main decisions. Actually, he told me that. Bengis: "It could be. You know, again, I didn't even know these ERPB Minutes 7 07-16-91 people. This thing came over the FAX to us and I started talking to Stephan, the interior designer who designed the whole thing and said to him, "This is fine" and I was told originally by Building and Zoning that they could have the amount of -square footage that we drew there and then of course, they changed it. This always happens in this City. Greene: "On the logo, the neon sits out in front of a colored background, what is the background? Bengis: "It's like an aluminum background, or a 'centra' is what we call it. It is a special material that we use to mount the neon on so you can at least see it during the day 'cause otherwise, you know neon is clear. It's just a very subtle look is all that particular logo is. Hochstim: "But what shape is it? Bengis: "Just like it's shown there. I't's just. . .that's the shape there. Hochstim: "No, but what shape. . .does it follow the logo or. . .? Bengis: "Yes, it's just a very small. . . Hochstim: "You mean strips? Bengis: "Yes, just so you can see. . .you know what happens. . .if you put just plain neon up against a wall you don't see it if it's lit up at night and this, at least you get to see the outline of it. Hochstim: "But it's the shape of the circle and . . . . Bengis: "Yeah, it's just the shape of the logo. Hochstim: "So, it's not a solid area. Bengis: "Very insignificant. It's just small. . .no, it's mounted. . .you know how thin the neon is. Hochstim: "No, but what I'm saying is, it actually follows the actual design. . . . Bengis: "Yes, it follows the outline of the logo. (Mr. Mackey returned with the original files as requested. ) Hochstim: "Where are the architectural drawings? The final. . . . there's a whole set of architectural drawings. Mackey: "You want me to go through. . .there's a hundred drawings for this hotel on file. ERPB Minutes 8 07-16-91 Hochstim: "No, but I mean this is plumbing and the electrical and it doesn't do us any good. There's an architectural drawing which is a final record set which was approved by this Board, signed by the Chairman. Mackey: "According to the notes in the log, it says that a everything was approved except the canopy and signage which had to come back. Hochstim: "Yes, but the signage was located on the drawing. Mackey: "Pat, 4-3 is where you're finding it? DeLisa: "I'm not finding it. Mackey: "Try 189, I brought both years. . . . .Then try 190. Greene: "As long as we have some time to spend here, I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name, sir. Bengis: "My name is Jerry Bengis. I'm the President of Bengis Associates Signs. We're an old line sign company down here. Greene: "What would the alternatives be if the Board wanted a smaller sized letter? What would you be able to Bengis: "Well, we could go non-illuminated. Just eliminate that silhouette look. That would be up to the hotel. And then you could make it as small as you wanted. Greene: "How would you suggest lighting it so that they. . Bengis: "Externally. Put some spotlights on the building someplace. Rubin-Wright: " 'Hotel' is already lit. The word 'hotel' is neon. Is that correct? Bengis: "Well, they're both. .2 mean 'hotel' and the "Miami Villa' , yes. Rubin-Wright; "And the 'hotel' is a 10 inch letter. What if you. . .what if the 'Miami Villa' was also the 10 inch? Bengis: "Yes, You mean make 'Miami Villa' 10 inches? I've alerted them to the fact that they may have the possibility of a choice and they're willing to try it because that's the proportion, for some reason, that they designed their logo, with the 'motel' smaller than their name. So, we could make the 10 inches if you want to go down smaller on the name, all you do. . . just for your own information, I mean, if it comes up again with any of the other ERPB Minutes 9 07-16-91 sign companies, you know you run into problems with shorts, that's all. You just can't guarantee like you can normally guarantee. You can't give any kind of guarantee. Shaw: "Let me read from the Minutes. 'Mr. Julien signed in and displayed a model of the proposed project, the Miami Villa Hotel. There's a discrepancy between the model and the working drawings regarding the span between the glasses in the front facade being too large. It was agreed that the drawings were correct. Mr. Julien understands that he will be required to appear before the Board again with the addition of awnings and signage which would be located above the arch on the front entrance within the recess. ' I'm not sure that does anything for us but I did want to read that in the record. Bengis: "I know as much as you all do on this. I really can't . . . . Rubin-Wright: "What if we took the. . .if you look at the sign the was it's presented because the Minutes now say that is the space that the sign was to be in. Joe just read the Minutes. If you took the 'Miami Villa' . . .he read. . .the place where they're putting the sign is what shows in the Minutes as placement that we agreed to at that time. Maybe, read the Minutes to him again, Joe. What I'm suggesting is if we look at taking 'Miami Villa' and making that the same size as 'Hotel' . Hochstim: " . . .within the recess. ' Now I remember, ok. That's 'within the recess'. That means that the sign was under the arch, not in the arch, on the arch. That's exactly right. In other words, it was not on the face but inside. Wilson: "Yes, but they don't have that recess anymore, do they? Hochstim: "Sure, they do. Here it is. That's where it was supposed to go, underneath. Not on the arch but it was supposed to be within the recess. Bengis: "You mean, behind the glass? Hochstim: "Yes, that's right. Bengis: " . .like neon? Like you have in South Miami? Hochstim: "Whatever it was. That's, that's—now I remember what it was exactly. That was supposed to be within the recess. Pardon? Wolfsohn: "Can't find it on the plans? Hochstim: "It was on the preliminaries, it's not on this one. But it's in the Minutes, that's clear now. ERPB Minutes 10 07-16-91 Greene: "So, we're talking about a sign within the recess. Wilson: " . .hanging. You mean hanging down, then? Hochstim: "Underneath the arch. Wilson: "Because that's all glass, isn't it? I think that's. . .it looks as though it's co-terminant. Hochstim: "I think you're looking at the wrong photograph. There's quite a bit of distance between the glass and the arch. There's a least about 6 or 8 feet before you get to the glass. Wilson: "I know. Hochstim: "And that sign's supposed to be hanging. . Wilson: "It's hanging? Hochstim: "Yes, between the arch and the glass. Wilson: "Ok. Hochstim: "or on the glass. Shaw: "I'm ready for a motion. Hochstim: "I move a disapproval since this sign does not conform to the original intent of the location of the signage. Shaw: "Which was. Hochstim: "Whatever the Minutes said. Wolfsohn: "And I'll second that. Shaw: "As reflected by the Minutes. Alright, any further discussion? Wilson: "Then, just so Mr. Bengis understands and I understand, that sign will have to be against the glass or suspended. Hochstim: "No. Wilson: "No? Hochstim: "It should be according to what the architect intended originally and I think the architect should be contacted. Bengis: "Who was the architect? Is, he still alive? Hochstim: "Yes, he is, very much alive and still on the job. In fact, he's located in the building. ERPB Minutes 11 07-16-91 Bengis: "Is there any way in the future, of course the company has a lot a of money to do this, where the Building Department can be aware, when we call up to find out what the zoning is, find out where they can be privy to whatever is on the original plans? Wolfsohn: Just contact the architect. Shaw: "No, actually, no, no, actually. . Bengis: "This is just a fluke, it came over my FAX. . . Shaw: "In this case, Bills' department was correct in submitting it only because Jan happened to remember something that had happened way back and, of course, Staff would not necessarily remember that but normally, the proposal and the application was correct. Yes, it does cost a lot of money for you guys to come Bach and I feel badly. Sometimes, we have people come bach two and three times. It breaks my heart because # 1, it costs some money and #2 , they've got other things to do and here we sit and chop 'em up. Bengis: "You've got a hotel that's trying to open now, it's not going to open. Hochstim: "I have a feeling, I have a different feeling. I feel sorry for Bill and Staff because they're overworked but when an application come in for a new building signage then all the records of the original application should be checked because that's where we put those requirements for signage. Bengis: "I don't have any problems, I mean, that's fine. Tell me again now where this sign is going. Hochstim: "I think it should. . .according to the Minutes, it goes within the recess of the arch. The exact location was shown on the architect's preliminary drawings and we don't have it here but I think that the architect should be contacted and worked with on that location. Bengis: "What is the architect's name, do we have his name written down? Shaw: "Yes, Staff will have it. Hochstim: "Belton Group. B-e-1-1-o-n. Shaw: "On the motion to deny. Phil? Jesmer: "Yes. Shaw: "Jan? ERPB Minutes 12 07-16-91 Hochstim: "Yes. Wilson: "Yes. Shaw: "Yes. Wolfsohn: "Yes. Greene: "Yes. Rubin-Wright: "Yes. Shaw: "Motion carried. 7 - 0" Vote: Denial approved: 7 Opposed: 0 4. Remarks: None. 5. proval of Renovation of the Sylva G. Mart/ng,Building. Mayor Cat McCann addressed the Board, at their Mrs. McCann vised the Board, on the subject of ming as had appeared i. the Minutes of a recent ERPB meat this issue will appea�on the City Co mmission agenda a ly 23rd meeting. The lain cape portion of the City Code states that trees will be planted wh h will grow to a normal eight and have a particular crown, etc. The problem is one of of letting the trees grow but excess trimmi g, which occurs all oo often. The Tree Committee is also concern*d as to who actua ly trims the trees and how it is done. The request of the Tree Co mittee is to allow this to be done only through a permitting o licensing process with guidelines from the City as toy proper pr ping and cutting. criteria. Suggestions made by the Tree Co mitte will be distributed to the Board members. If any members of th' Board wish to contribute to this subject before the C/iseceilvi meeting of July 23rd, please advise Staff. Mayor McCann stated that s complaints from those in the community who use the in B ilding that it is in an unusable condition. It iy to ke some decisions and begin to make some progres roject. ince the donation of the windows is for exact replacements, there st'�ems to be no reason to hold that item up. here are funds for the air conditioning which is also awaiting decision. Since this is the only building in the City for pub is meetings, there is a nee to finish the project as soon as ossible. Mrs. McCann ask d why, if the windows are the same a d there if there is mone for A/C is to be installed, is an architect ERPB Minute 13 OT-16-9 M = N U 9P E S Environmental Review & Preservation Board Commission Chambers March 3, 1992 9:00 AM 1. Call to order 2. Roll Call Present Absent Joe Shaw Jan Hochstim Susan Wilson Stanley Greene Suzanne Woifsohn Diane Rubin-Wright Phil Jesmer Also present: Planner Mackey and Board Secretary DeLlsa. 3 . Requests for approval: VERBATIM A. EB-91-075 Signage Resubmission Applicant: Miami Vila Hotel Address: 5959 SW 71 Street Represented By: Alicia Franquet and Paolo Villela Alice Franquet and Paolo Villela signed in representing the applicant. Mr. Elias Baretto, owner of the hotel, later in the meeting signed in. Shaw: "This is the signage re-submission for Miami Vila Hotel, 5959 SW 71 Street represented by Alicia Franquet and Paolo Villela. If you would both identify yourselves into the microphone and sign in for us, please, I'd appreciate it. Franquet: "Ok, my name is Alice Franquet. I work for the Miami Vila Hotel. Wilson: "When are you opening? Franquet: "We are already open and it's a beautiful hotel. Wilson: "'It looks beautiful. Is your restaurant going? Franquet: "Oh, yes. Full service. Wilson: "It is? ERPB Minutes 1 03-03-92 Wolfsohn: "We actually have a snazzy restaurant. We have to come check that out. Villela: "Paolo Villela, operations manager of the Miami Vila Hotel. Shaw: "I tried to get in the other day and the door was locked. The back door. There's a change of signage, is that our problem or . . . .tell us why you're here—re-submission on the signage. Villela: "No, there's no change actually on the signage. We don't have a sign actually on the hotel building at all, identifying the building as a hotel and what we're applying for is to allow us to put a sign and recognize that as a hotel instead of something else that people just passed by and just walked in and say 'what is this?' and they don't really know what it is? Franquet: "Like the streets are very dark at night and without a sign, a lot of our customers just go by without seeing where the hotel is. Shaw: "'Yes, you need a sign. The sign that we approved for the awning in back, did that say. . .what does it say now? Franquet: "Vila Gourmet. Shaw: "Vila Gourmet. Is that what we approved? I thought we approved a sign that identified the hotel. Franquet: "No. Villela: "That's a separate entrance. Franquet: "That's a separate name, that's a restaurant name. Villela: "That's a restaurant, a different entrance for the restaurant, instead of coming through the hotel., can come in through the back which is the front of the restaurant itself. Shaw: "OK, let's see. Colorwise, what do we have here? orange neon on same color background. Wolfsohn: "Where are the samples? Wilson: "What if neon is installed? Is it a matter. . .is there a problem? Do you use a colored glass or do you color the gas? Jesmer: "Gas and glass but mostly gas. Wolfsohn: "How come we don't see the colors? Shaw: "Neon colors are pretty standard. ERPB Minutes 2 03-03-92 Wilson: Can that be changed? Jesmer: "It's hard. Wilson: "It is. Wolfsohn: "Is the entire sign neon or is some of it painted? Franquet: "No., the entire sign. Wolfsohn: "Everything? Hotel Miami Vila? Franquet: "Miami Vila Hotel. Wolfsohn: "Green, blue and orange. Shaw: "Which letters are going to . . .the big letters HOTEL MIAMI VILA, what color will they be? Franquet: "Orange. Wolfsohn: "A deeper orange than the building? Wilson: "I think that's orange on orange background. But what do you say 'on same color background' , you're going to paint the orange behind it? Franquet: "No, no, no. Villela: "It's an arch. Franquet: "It's like, you know, the letters have a frame and then inside the frame is the neon. Wilson: "Well, but wait a minute, we're talking . . . .could you bring_ that up here? Shaw: "Bring the mike up, both of you, if you will. Pull the mike and bring it up. Come on up. Wilson: "Right here 'National Stone Mountain Surface. ' That's beige. Then you say 'orange neon on same color background' right here. Villela: "Yes, this is neon itself. There's no . . . Wilson: "Is that going to be an orange blop there? Baretto: "The background is going to be the keystone so the logo is going to be floating, just the lines. ERPB Minutes 3 03-03-92 �l Wilson: "Then what do you mean 'same color background'? Just orange neon is all you want? Baretto: "Orange neon, same color background, the background will be the stone. Wilson: "Well, then let's jut do this. Shaw: "We have it on ours, it says here. . Wilson: "I know but this doesn't. . .same color background doesn't mean anything. We know what that is. OK, so that's orange neon, that's green neon and where's the blue? Orange, green & blue. Baretto: "The letters. . .the letter going to be box letters, this is the background. The letter with the neon inside. Franquet: "Inside the box. It's like a frame and then. . . Shaw: "Is this the detail on the big letters? No? Wolfsohn: "In other words, they're channeled? Baretto: "Channel letters. Wolfsohn: "Channel letters that are lit up. Wilson: "Black channel letters, concealed neon, white. Baretto: " The black, I think, is going to be very .strong, maybe. We can. . .to bring these letters, I don't know if white is going to be fade with the background. Jesmer: "You're probably better off with the black. Only the black comes in neutral. You'd be surprised how much you don't see it.. Baretto: "Or go with this orange that we have . . . Jesmer: "Believe it or not, black shrinks. Wilson: "Bill, didn't we have some sort of a previous signage for this that was part and parcel of the whole plan? Mackey: "Not a final, no. Wilson: "I know, not a final but I don't know. I wish Jan were here, he would remember more. I don't object to.. —I was wondering if in the original plans—remember we made such a point that we were to look a signage at the time we were approving the original plan. ERPB Minutes 4 03-03-92 a Wolfsohn: "That's something I was just thinking of since I looked at. . .Is this the original sign that was approved to go on this building? Just the way it is? Wilson: "Was there to be a sign there? Baretto: "The original plans didn't show no signage. Shaw: "No signage. They -had to come back. Wilson: "That isn't bad. I don't know if it's good but it's not bad. Shaw: "I like it. Franquet: "We need it. Wilson: "Now, this. . .on what street is this? Franquet: 1171st. Wolfsohn: "It's a very narrow little. . .now it has a canyon look with these big buildings. Villela: "It's one block only in and then there's a building right on the corner of 72nd and 59th. Shaw: "I'm ready for a motion. Jesmer: "I'll move for approval. Wilson: " I-'ll second. Shaw: "Any further discussion? On the motion, Phil? Jesmer: "Yes. Wilson: "Yes. Shaw: "Yes. Wolfsohn: "Yes. Shaw: "Motion carries, 4 - 0. Vote: Approved: 4 Opposed: 0 B. EB-92-0 5 Sing.le Family—Residence_Residence Ad ition 4 Y \`fir Bathroom&`Study ERPB Minutes 5 03-03-92 M1' Acfd-'ress: /Self'20` SW 59 Cou t epre'sented By:M cello si ned\n. This icat'on is f r new ence. g Mk. ils moved to pprov�, second d by M Wolfs n. Vote: Approve Op os : 0 VERBATIM 9. EB-92-126 Signage (Commercial) Applicant_: Hotel Miami Vila Address: 5939 SW 71 Street Represented By: Bengis Signs Inc. Mr. Chris Mann, signed in representing Bengis Signs, Inc. Shaw: "Bring the mike up with you and show us what you're doing and that'll shortcut it for us a little bit. Wolfsohn: "Is this part of the original signage plan? Mann: "It more or less is since there was originally an approval and it had a different name. That was just the Villa Hotel. Now they're adding the Hotel Miami Vila. It's just that deviation with the little plaques on either side. Shaw: "So this portion in here is new. Mann: "Yes. This stays. Shaw: "The big sign stays. This little inset is what's coming in. Wilson: "Which one. Shaw: "The little box is coming in. Mann: "With the little initials. . Wilson: "What about. . .you said the Miami Vila. You're adding that? Mann: "No, no. It's just what it is. I believe it was originally approved with the Miami Vila, it's now just the Hotel Vila. Wilson: "Just changing essentially. . .I move approval. Hochstim: "Wait a minute. What is this change? Wilson: "That's this right here. ERPB Minutes 5 10-06-92 Hochstim: "And that's canvas? No. Mann: "That's just your elevation sketch. . . . .at further distance. Hochstim: "Isn't there a re-submit? Is it on the concrete, on this thing? Mann: "No, not that. That thing there. The sign was approved, it was never put up. It's sitting there basically with nothing right now. Hochstim: "The two plaques were supposed to be street level height. . . . Wilson: "No, they look as though they're up there with it. Hochstim: "Too high. Mann: "Yes. Hochstim: "Weren`t they supposed to be down at this level here? I remember the original approval was to have it at pedestrian level, not way up there. Wilson: "That makes more sense. Hochstim: "It doesn't make sense to have it way up there right next to the other sign. It was supposed to go right there. . . Wolfsohn: "Do we have the. . . (what's his name?) Do we have the original plan, the signage on this? Or do you have any knowledge of that? Hochstim: "I'm positive it was. . .idea . .in fact, there was no sign on top. The sign hung inside the arch. Not on the face and the other one was supposed to be only plaques on the walls at the pedestrian level. Wilson: Yes, that has class. Hochstim: "Of course. It doesn't make any sense to have to have it there. Nobody can read it. Mann: "I have a representative of the hotel. (To the hotel rep. ) Do you have a problem with lowering the plaques to eye level rather than putting them up at copy level? Hochstim: "The original plan was not that way. Wolfsohn: " . . .didn't show it there. Hochstim: "No, but I think we should have the original plan. ERPB Minutes 6 10-06-92 Wolfsohn: "Yes. we need to look at that because we can't . . . Hochstim: "We should have the original plans here because we can't jut ago ahead. . . , Shaw: "Can we say 'as per original Plan?' Wolfsohn: "No, because we need to see. . . Shaw: "Because we'd already approved that. Wolfsohn: "But there was no sign up here originally. Hochstim: "There was no sign on that arch. Shaw: "Oh, I see. Wolfsohn: "And I don't remember exactly what it said, I just know that whoever it was before us last time, perhaps you remember, sir. Greene: "I think it was inside the arch. I'll ask you a question on the cabinet for the smaller signs. I don't quite understand this, the design. It's a solid aluminum box, . is that the idea, with a plastic face? Mann: "Yes. Single face cabinet box, 30" x 24" with clear plastic face sprayed on second surface. That's a little box arrangement. Greene: "Then, the letters are sprayed on the. . . . Mann: ". . .the back side of it, yes, it's clear plastic. Hochstim: "By the way, these were not to be illuminated, the wall signs. They were supposed to be plaques, bronze plaques. Wolfsohn: "Classy bronze plaques. Hochstim: "This is completely different from what we approved from my memory. They were not supposed to be illuminated signs at all on the walls. So, I think unless we have the original drawings approved. we cannot go by guessing it. Shaw: "Could we go on to item 10 and could you fellows get us the original plan? Kobola: "I have to find them. It's not that. . . . Shaw: "It would take awhile, alright. Hochstim: "The other thing is, we never approved box signs and this is a box sign. I mean, this is a complete change. ERPB Minutes 7 10-06-92 Wilson: "At this point, I'm prepared to move that the design of the smaLler signs on either side be approved with the provision that they be bronze and not illuminated. Shaw: "At that height? Wilson: ". .at the lower elevation. At eye level. Hochstim: "Except, we don't know exactly what height we approved it originally, you see. Shaw: "I think we need. . . Hochstim: "We don't have enough information. Shaw: "I think we need to . . . . Wolfsohn: "How about giving them some type of a temporary sign? Hochstim: "It's not up to us. That's up to the manager. The City Manager approves temporary signs. Wolfsohn: "I'm just saying, I know what it's like to have a business without a sign. Hochstim: "But, they've been in business a number of months already. Shaw: "I'm ready for a motion. Hochstim: "I would move denial based on incompatibility with the approved original intention of location and types of signage. Shaw: "Do I have a second? I'll second it for purposes of discussion. Hochstim: "I'd like to clarify my motion in a discussion that in absence of documentation at this meeting—this meeting, my motion is based only on my recollection and, even though I think my' recollection is clear, I have clear conscience in denying this application now. I would suggest that the Staff prepare us with the proper documentation for our meetings and not give use these difficult decisions to make without the proper material. Shaw: "Let's see now. Any further discussion. Wolfsohn: "Yes. I think that the applicant should have also been. . .either have known this or have been notified of this. So this wasn't a waste of time for him. Shaw: "Any further discussion, Jan? ERPB Minutes 8 10-06-92 Hochstim: "Yes. Shaw: "Yes. Wolfsohn: "Yes. Greene: "Yes. Shaw: "The motion carries, 5 - 0. Vote: Denial Approved: 5 Opposed: 0 10. EB-92-12.7 Awning and Sign (Commercia Applicant: John Ludwig Address: 5809 Sunset Drive. epresented By: Kerry Carpenter Mr. Mark Carp ter signed in to represent th's application. Mr. Hochstim moved approval "subject to maKing the sign on the awning more readable either by putting soy(e background on it in matching tones of\19rey or white or outlining each letter in light grey or white.." Se\aonded by Ms. WilsoVsed; Vote: Approved: 5 Opp 0 4. APPROVAL OF THE MIND RS OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1992. Ms. Wilson moved to approve the Minutes�f September 15, 1992, seconded by Mr. Hochstim. Vote: Approved: 5 Opposed: 0 5. REMARKS. Ms. Wilson remarked that Mayor McCann had advised her that, as regards HistcaFric Preservation, "the ball is in our court, that we should be/looking at these things. . ." A list of possible historic structdres had been sent to all Board members by Staff. Ms. Wolfsohn stated that she had been told by Susan Redding that a more recent list had been .compiled tw years ago. Staff had no record of this list.. Ms. Wolfsohn said that her husband had photographed the sites on the file list and that she would ask Mr. Wolfsohn to photograph the locations on the newer list also. Ms. Joan Yarborough, one of the two Historic Preser ll tion members of the Board, way present. Ms. Wilson suggested shat a special meeting be held with all Board members and the Histor al Committee to discuss t1fis matter. It was agreed that such a meeting will be scheduled -or Tuesday, November 10th at 9:00 AM in the\Commission .Chambers Ms. Wilson noted that this meeting will include sugges d sites for possible historic preservation to be ERPB Minutes 9 10-06-92 F"I s neeaea to properly secure and st end impiements needed to maintain .urrav 'arK. Since [he smaii shed -mplo,yees have had to transport t ttie Public 4orks yard for secure :-such ;) coauction time is lost in - ortn . • = ! 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