Attachment - 19CITY OF SOUTH MIAMI
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Special Meeting Minutes
Thursday, October 26,2017
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I. Call to Order
Action: Mr. Basu
II. Roll Call
ns of the
Subrata Basu (Chairman), Dr. Velma Palmer
r. Gary Robinson, Ms. Aracely Alicea, and Mr.
ompkins (Planning Director) and Mr. Marcus Lightfoot (Senior
City Staff Absent: No
City Attorney: Mr. Thomas Pepe
Planning Consultant: Mr. Alex A. David, AICP of Calvin, Giordano & Associates, Inc.
III. Administrative Matters
There were no administrative matters from Staff.
IV. Public Hearings
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Please refer to the attached transcript for minutes pertaining to the Public Hearing Items.
V. Public Comments/New Business
There were no public comments or new business.
VI. Approval of the Minutes
There were no minutes to review.
VII. Future Meeting Date:
A} Regular Meeting -November 14, 2017
VIII. Adjournment
. Mr. Basu adjourned the meeting
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CITY OF SOUTH MIAMI
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA
PLANNING BOARD
SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
Thursday, October 26, 2017
7:00 p~m. -11:20 p.m.
City Commission Chambers
6130 Sunset Drive
South Miami, Florida
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Planning and Zoning Board Members:
3 Chainnan Sub rata Basu
LanyMelow
4 Gary Robinson
Aracely Alicea
5 Velma Palmer
Lee Jacobs
6 Sally Philips
7 City Attorney Thomas F. Pepe
Planning Director Jane Tompkins
8 Alex A. David, AICP, Calvin, Giordano & Associates
Zoning Review Coordinator Marcus Lightfoot
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3 CHAIRMAN BASU: Good evening. This is a
4 special meeting October 26,2017. Please rise for
5 the pledge of allegiance.
6 (Pledge of Allegiance.)
7 MEMBER PALMER: Mr. Chairman, before we start,
8 I would like to clarifY one thing.
9 CHAIRMAN BASU: Let me take roll of the
10 Members.
11 ATTORNEY PEPE: Here.
12 MEMBER MELOW: Here.
13 MEMBER ROBINSON: Here.
14 MEMBER ALICEA: Here.
15 MEMBER PALMER: Here.
16 MEMBER JACOBS: Here.
17 MEMBER PHILIPS: Here.
18 MEMBER PALMER: The question I have at this
19 time is, over the years, I don't know the charter
20 has changed, but ifit has, I would refer to the
21 attorney. I knew that only one person who sits on
22 the dais as Commissioner was able to attend a
23 Planning Board meeting. Has this rule been
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25 ATTORNEY PEPE: No, there's no reason why a
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Member of the City Commission cannot attend the
meeting. They cannot participate in the meeting,
if they're going to be voting on an item that's
coming before you. So they can attend. They can
listen, but they cannot participate.
MEMBER PALMER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Administrative matters for
tonight? Do you have anything? Not at this time?
DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Before we start, I would like
to go over some procedural matters. First of all,
there are sign-in sheets for or against, please.
Sign in, if you're wishing to speak.
So we'll call the matters according to the
list. For the record, how many letters and e-mails
and things are there, that we have gotten for and
against? Do you havy any idea?
DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: As of this afternoon, we
have a total of 284 e-mails, and I believe every
one ofthem was in support of the project.
MEMBER PHILIPS: There was one that wasn't.
MEMBER JACOBS: Yes, I got two or three.
CHAIRMAN BASU: I'm talking about the City.
MEMBER JACOBS: Oh, no.
CHAIRMAN BASU: So City, you're saying that
you're seeing 280-plus in support?
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DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: Yes, through the clerk's
office.
CHAIRMAN BASU: So what we would like to do is
read all items and make them on the table, and then
we'll have a staff report for all seven items, as
one staff report, so there's no overlap, and I'm
hoping it can be done in 20 minutes.
Then the applicant presentation, again, on all
seven items. I'm hoping that we can make it
through 45 minutes, an hour.
And then if the board has any burning desire
to ask any questions of the staff, and at that
point, we can ask them questions, so when we
deliver it, we have all the answers.
MEMBER PALMER: Would it be appropriate to say
one or two things that affect the --not the item
itself, but I just wanted to say that because of
the --
CHAIRMAN BASU: Can I go through the process
first?
MEMBER PALMER: Yes, of course.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Once they make their
presentation, then we'll have questions and answers
at that time. Again, I just want to caution, that,
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1 just if you really have some burning desire to ask 1 If you intend to speak, stand up and raise
2 some questions at that time, go ahead and do that, 2 your right hand.
3 so that you're prepared to discuss the items when 3 (Therefore, members of the audience, that
4 the time comes. 4 stood and raised their right hands, were sworn in.)
5 After that, we'll open up the public hearing. 5 ALL: Yes, I do.
6 First, we'll go through the people that are for it, 6 ATTORNEY PEPE: Thank you. If you are going
7 and then we'll go through the people that are 7 to be speaking, when you come to the podium, just
8 against it. They'll have 3 minutes each. 8 advise us whether you've been sworn. If not, as we
9 So looking at the list, the list is about, 9 said, you might be a late-comer, and I will then
10 what, 20 people? Marcus, how long is the list. 10 swear you in individually. If you've been sworn
11 COORDINATOR LIGHTFOOT: For support, there are 11 in, you can begin your testimony.
12 17 names. 12 CHAIRMAN BASU: Ms. Palmer, you had some
13 CHAIRMAN BASU: That's an hour for the public 13 comments?
14 hearing, but more may come in. So that, right 14 MEMBER PALMER: Yes. Good evening, everyone.
15 there, is about 2 112 hours that we're talking 15 I just wanted to let you know, the material I
16 about. So it's 7:00, so 9:30, 9:45. We'll take a 16 received is very big, and I read everything and do
17 break, and then before we break, we'll give a 17 my best; however, I wasn't able to finish this and
18 chance to rebut the opposition, or if you want to 18 get back to Staff with my questions. Okay?
19 rebut the for, you're welcome to do that. Then we 19 Because here we have a lot of studies. We have
20 break. 20 complex materials. We have maps. We have
21 Then we'll have discussion on all seven items, 21 diagrams. You have to check references. We have a
22 and then we'll take each item one at a time and 22 lot of data.
23 vote on it. 23 So in saying that, I'm saying that I wasn't
24 ATTORNEY PEPE: I just want to make it clear 24 able to complete this. I know this must --and I
25 that if the applicant or the applicant's attorney 25 really hoped, I was hoping, that we would not have
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1 wants to cross-examine any of the witnesses, they 1 to do all of it at one time, because it is massive.
2 have the right to do so. 2 You know, you have to do your due diligence, and I
3 CHAIRMAN BASU: Should we swear everyone in? 3 don't think I am able to do the due diligence, when
4 ATTORNEY PEPE: It would probably be better if 4 I wasn't able to complete this book.
5 we do that. It's not necessary, since this board 5 It's a lot of information and should be taken
6 is not making an actual finding of fact or any 6 seriously, because, you know, this is a very
7 specific decisions. It's really making 7 important thing we're doing. And in all these
8 recommendations. But I think it would be good if 8 8 years I've sat up here, I've never seen anything
9 we swear them in. It won't hurt. 9 this massive, ever.
10 CHAIRMAN BASU: And what about the ones that 10 I don't know if I can vote yes on areas that I
11 come in? 11 wasn't able to read, because I really need some
12 ATTORNEY PEPE: What we can do is find out all 12 answers from staff, but I wasn't able to complete
13 of the people who are going to be speaking, let 13 all of those, and I wanted to do my due diligence.
14 them stand, raise their right hands, and I'll swear 14 However, I don't see anything, maybe it's in
15 them in, and then, when they approach the podium, 15 this study, but I didn't see it, the concurrency
16 they can advise us whether or not they've been 16 issues. I didn't see that. So I hope, later on,
17 sworn in or not, and if they haven't been sworn in, 17 as we proceed, somebody, if it's there, let me know
18 if they're a late-comer, we can swear them in then. 18 it's there, but I didn't see it.
19 CHAIRMAN BASU: Do you want to do that now? 19 CHAIRMAN BASU: All right.
20 ATTORNEY PBPE: Yes, we can do that now. 20 MEMBER PALMER: Thank you. So with that, can
21 Raise your right hand. 21 we start with a Staff presentation?
22 CHAIRMAN BASU: A lot of people didn't know 22 DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: Thank you. My name is
23 they had to sign in. 23 Jane Tompkins. I'm the Planning and Zoning
24 ATTORNEY PEPE: We know there will be 24 Director. First of all, I want to thank the Board
25 additional people. 25 for their cooperation and assistance.
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CHAIRMAN BASU: I'm sorry, before you start, I
can we read all the items into the record, starting 2
with the first one, taking turns, starting on the 3
right. 4
MEMBERMELOW: PB-17-02I: Applicant: FRIT 5
Shops at Sunset Place Fee Owner, LLC. 6
An ordinance amending the City of South Miami 7
to the City of Miami Official Zoning Map from
Specialty Retail, SR, to Downtown SoMi, DS, on a
9.68-acre property known as the Shops of Sunset
Place and as legally described herein.
MEMBER JACOBS: No.5, PB-17-025: An
ordinance pursuant to Section 20-5.7 and other
applicable provisions of the City of South Miami
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Comprehensive Plan approving the creation of the 8
Downtown SoMi, DS, land use category in the Future 9
Land Use Element for a mixed-use project on the 10
Shops at Sunset Place property and as legally II
Land Development Code providing for a Map Amendment
to the City of South Miami Official Zoning Map from
Specialty Retail, SR, to Downtown SoMi, DS, on a
9.68-acre property known as The Shops At Sunset
described herein. 12 Place and as legally described herein.
CHAIRMAN BASU: All right. And if you could 13 MEMBER PHILIPS: PB-17-026: FRIT Shops at
Sunset Place Fee Owner, LLC: read the second one. 14
MEMBER ROBINSON: PB-17-022: Anordinance IS A resolution pursuant to new Article XII
Downtown SoMi District Regulations and Article V
Procedures and Applications and other applicable
provisions of the City of South Miami Land
Development Code approving a request by FRIT Shops
at Sunset Place Fee Owner, LLC, for Site Plan
approval for a Mixed-Use Project consisting of
providing for a Small-Scale Map Amendment amending 16
the City of South Miami Comprehensive Plan Future 17
Land Use Plan Map from Mixed-Use Commercial 18
Residential, four-story, to Downtown SoMi, DS, 19
195 feet, on a 9.68-acre property known as The 20
Shops At Sunset Place and as legally described 21
herein. 22
CHAIRMAN BAsu: Next, No.3. 23
MEMBER ALICEA: PB-17-023: Applicant: FRI 24
Retail, Office, Residential, and Hotel components
on The Shops At Sunset Place property as legally
described herein.
Shops at Sunset Place Fee Owner, LLC: 25 CHAIRMAN BASU: Those are all the seven items.
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I An ordinance pursuant to Section 20-5.7 and I I understand there's an appearance on the
2 other applicable provisions of the City of South 2 phone, that would like to welcome everyone, if
3 Miami Land Development Code creating Article XII, 3 that's okay.
4 Downtown SoMi, DS, district regulations; modifying 4 ATTORNEY PEPE: Yes, he's just going to be
5 Section 20-3.1 zoning use districts and purposes A 5 addressing the audience.
6 and B, modifying Section 20-3.3D permitted use 6 MAYOR STODDARD (Via Speakerphone): Good
7 schedule; creating Section 20-3.3F, outdoor 7 evening, everyone. I just want to welcome you to
8 seating/dining, within the Downtown SoMi, DS, 8 the Commission Chambers, and thank you for coming
9 zoning district; modifying Section 20-3.5B and C 9 and showing your interest.
10 dimensional requirements; creating Section 20-3.51 10 I want to give special thanks to the Planning
II dimensional requirements Downtown SoMi District; II Board. It's probably the most significant and
12 modifying Section 20-3.6 supplemental regulations; 12 important matter to come before the Planning Board
13 modifying Section 20-4.3 sign regulations; 13 in a couple of decades, and I very much appreciate
14 modifying Section 20-4.5 landscaping and tree 14 everybody's interest and diligence in reviewing the
15 protection requirements for all zoning districts; 15 proposals, and I hope everybody is able to come
16 modifying Section 20-4.5.1 tree protection; 16 together and make the wisest decision on behalf of
17 modifying Section 20-5.11 site plan review 17 the City.
18 approvals; modifying Section 20-6.1 administrative 18 I wish I could be there in person, but I've
19 entities in order to effectuate a mixed-use project 19 got a sloppy cold, and I thought it best not to
20 on the Shops at Sunset Place property as legally 20 infect you all. I wish you the best of success,
21 described herein. 21 and thank you all.
22 MEMBER PALMER: Request4,PB-17-024: An 22 MEMBER BASU: Thank you, Mayor. So now the
23 ordinance pursuant to Section 20-5.7 and other 23 staff presentation.
24 applicable provisions of the City of South Miami 24 DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: I would like to thank the
25 Land Development Code providing for a Map Amendment 25 public for coming out and sharing your comments
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1 with us tonight. We're excited to finally be at 1 go forward.
2 this stage of the review process and very much 2 Weare also requesting a zoning map change to
3 interested in hearing your thoughts about this 3 show the new district, the DS district, and also to
4 project. 4 remove this property from the Hometown Overlay
5 Seeing that South Miami is largely built out, 5 District.
6 we don't see a lot of projects of this magnitude, 6 And the final request is for the initial site
7 with the potential to change the shape of the 7 plan to be recommended for approval by the Board.
8 community. We're excited to have so many people 8 I'm going to go back to 1982, and, actually,
9 interested and involved in this project. 9 yesterday was the 35th anniversary of the approval
10 I'd like to make one administrative note. 10 of the Bakery Center, so it's very interesting that
11 There was an additional applicant this afternoon, 11 that happened 35 years ago.
12 distributed to each of your places. It was some 12 I just want to walk through a bit of history.
13 resume background information on the applicant's 13 What was approved at that time was a
14 design team, so more information submitted by the 14 540,000-square-foot office, two office buildings,
15 applicant late this afternoon. 15 maximum height of 300 feet, 300,000 square feet of
16 It's my pleasure to introduce Mr. Alex David. 16 retail, 20,000 square feet of gallery area, 300
17 Mr. David and his firm, Calvin, Giordano & 17 hotel rooms, 110,000 square feet of mall area, and
18 Associates, has over 30 years experience in 18 3,000 parking spaces.
19 planning, mostly in Miami-Dade County, an expert in 19 What was actually built during the first phase
20 traffic engineering and has been invaluable to us 20 was 245,000 square feet of retail, 25,000 square
21 as we've been reviewing this project. 21 feet of movie theater, which was 1400 feet at that
22 So without further ado, I'm going to tum this 22 time, 261,000 square-foot parking structure, which
23 mic over to Mr. David for his presentation on the 23 held 751 spaces. And if anyone has been a resident
24 Staff Report. Thank you. 24 for a long time, they'll remember there's also
25 MR. DAVID: Good evening, Planning Board 25 surface parking on the north side of the Bakery
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1 Members. Again, I'm Alex David. 1 Center, and that consisted of 403 spaces.
2 Could we get the Power Point up? Thank you. 2 rfPhase 2 would have gone forward, it would
3 As everyone knows, Sunset Place is a very 3 have included more retail and the hotel and
4 important part of this community and has been for 4 offices' gallery components.
5 years. The address of the application is 5701 5 As we all may remember, that Bakery Center was
6 Southwest 72nd Street. This is just an aerial, 6 demolished in 1996, to be replaced with The Shops
7 where it shows the outline of the property that 7 at Sunset Place, and what is currently, the current
8 we're dealing with tonight. It's a 9.6-acre 8 configuration, is up on the screen, 524,000 square
9 parcel. 9 feet of shopping, which includes the theater,
10 I just wanted to let everyone know, on the 10 15,000 square feet of office space, and the 40
11 record, that notices were sent out to property 11 residential units above Sunset Drive.
12 owners within 500 feet of this property, on October 12 The proposal before us today is for 440,000
13 13th, and this was properly advertised in the 13 square foot of shopping center, which includes the
14 Herald on October 15th. 14 4,000-seat movie theater, the existing, upping the
15 There are six requests before us, the text 15 amount of office to almost 33,000 square feet.
16 amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to create the 16 The 40 existing units would be maintained, and
17 new land use district, which would allow this 17 then added to this would be 414 rental apartment
18 property to be developed. Also, we have to do the 18 units, in two buildings, a 182-room hotel,
19 map change to show the Downtown SoMi district. 19 additional parking on the existing garage, two more
20 There will be, also, proposed text amendments 20 levels, totalling 472 spaces.
21 to the land development code to create the new 21 And then, underneath the hotel area, which is
22 regulations, to permit this application, again, to 22 on the north side of the property, there's a
23 be developed. And other sections of the code have 23 proposal to do 216 additional parking spaces. And
24 to be amended also, such as parking, landscaping, 24 additionally, there will be landscaping
25 signage, and a few other things, to allow this to 25 improvements and reconfiguring of public spaces and
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1 plazas and opening up the feel of the existing 1 commercial residential. The proposal in the
2 facility. 2 downtown SoMi land use category is an FAR of 3 .0, a
3 This is just a rendering bf part of the 3 density of 65 units an acre, maximum height of
4 proposal. Since it's such a large project, there's 4 195 feet.
5 two phases contemplated. The first phase is a 5 What the actual proposal is is coming in less
6 partial demolition of the northern half, fronting 6 than that, and that's what we'll be reviewing
7 Red Road, the renovation of the existing structure. 7 tonight later on as part of the site plan. The FAR
8 And the second phase would be coming in to demolish 8 proposed is 1.47, which is less than what would be
9 more of the north portion of the property and 9 allowed under the mixed-use commercial residential,
10 constructing the three buildings, the two 10 a density of 47 units an acre, and a maximum height
11 residential towers and the hotel and building 11 for two heights.
12 underground parking and an additional two levels. 12 In the Phase 1 component, which is were the
13 And this is just the phasing plan, so what is 13 existing mall is, maximum height is 70 feet as
14 shown in pink would be dealt with during the first 14 proposed, and as I stated, where the two pennanent
15 phase, and the blue is the second phase, which is 15 buildings are, the height is proposed to be 195
16 the construction of the new buildings and into the 16 feet, a maximum.
17 parking garage and a few other things. 17 As part of our review, we did review the
18 The surrounding property, basically, is US-l 18 Comprehensive Plan to detennine compliance with
19 and the TODD land use to the northwest. This is 19 that document, an important document, and we've
20 commercial to the south, commercial to the east, 20 reviewed certain objectives and goals, and this
21 Coral Gables, and also commercial to the west of 21 redevelopment does discourage urban sprawl and will
22 this project. 22 achieve revitalization and renewal of areas of the
23 So the first request deals with a text 23 city, and it would pennit a diversity of housing
24 amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to create the 24 types.
25 new district, and what the slide shows is just the 25 Also part of our review is, we look at
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1 major requests to amend the Comprehensive Plan. 1 something called concurrency, which deals with
2 So basically the height requested, the maximum 2 level service standards for certain infrastructure;
3 would be 190 feet on the northern portion. That 3 roads, parks, water, sewer, drainage. And we
4 would be the two apartment buildings and the hotel, 4 reviewed this application pursuant to those
5 permitted floor area of 3 .0, and then residential 5 regulations, and they are compliant with all water
6 density up to 65 units per acre. 6 and sewer.
7 And the second request is just amending the 7 There's plenty of capacity left. That is a
8 Comprehensive Plan future land use map to create a 8 function of Miami-Dade County. There are tens of
9 new color, basically, on the map, showing the new 9 millions of gallons of capacity left, so this
10 Downtown SoMi District. 10 development doesn't have an impact on those. Parks
11 Basically, the first two comprehensive changes 11 level of service, the city parks level of service
12 are permitted under Florida statute, dealing with 12 is met, so they're compliant with that. And
13 process for small scale plan amendments. This 13 basically that's it for that.
14 application does meet the criteria and complies 14 The Planning Board duties, some of the powers
15 with this statute. 15 and duties of the Planning Board, and this is why
16 What I wanted to bring up very briefly is a 16 this is before them, is to look at various
17 comparison between the existing mixed-use 17 districts, look at boundaries, boundary changes,
18 commercial residential district land use category 18 zoning regulations, and uses of land within the
19 and the proposal and what they're requesting in the 19 city. And as part of their charge, the Planning
20 . actual proposed development. 20 Board should consider factors, including
21 Currently, the mixed-use commercial 21 neighborhood character, suitability ofthe uses
22 residential has an FAR of 1.6, density of 24 units 22 proposed, looking at a comprehensive plan of the
23 an acre, and a maximum height of 50 feet for that. 23 city. So that is part of their charge.
24 Hometown District Overlay, which overlays the 24 And, finally, the Board, as part of, again,
25 site, is the same, consistent with the mixed-use 25 their duty is to make a recommendation of approval,
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I denial or approval, of conditions of this 1 they are in compliance with those proposed
2 application. 2 regulations.
3 The third request is a text development of the 3 And just as a note, what they are proposing,
4 land development code to create this new district, 4 for the vast majority, the uses are similar. There
5 so this would be a unique district for this 9-acre 5 are some new uses, but for the most part, it's
6 site, so the regulations would now only apply to 6 similar to what's allowed under the specialty
7 the Sunset Place parcel. 7 retail district.
8 And as part of our review, I thought it would 8 So, again, this plan is consistent with what
9 be important to look at the zoning and create a 9 they're proposing in the planned development
10 comparison chart with what's permitted under the 10 regulations.
11 specialty retail district and Hometown Overlay and 11 So with that, we're recommending approval of
12 the Downtown SoMi District which is proposed. 12 the six requests, approval with conditions, and
13 So, again, we've gone through the FAR, which 13 there are about 30-some conditions, 27 conditions,
14 is a bit higher. Density, again, is 24 versus 65, 14 but I just want to highlight a few of them:
15 and the maximum heights permitted is 50 versus 195. 15 That the proposed element is in substantial
16 We've reviewed the landscape codes, what is 16 compliance with what was submitted, and there were
17 existing and what is proposed. There are 17 a number of documents and plans submitted, so
18 differences there. The sign age plan, what is 18 anything that's developed would have to be in
19 proposed is to create a massive signage plan for 19 compliance with that;
20 the exterior of the mall, so that will be part of 20 That all offsite improvements are required to
21 the review process in the future. 21 be completed prior to the first certificate of
22 Again, we look at parking. This is, again, 22 occupancy for Phase 2;
23 important. The requirements of the existing code, 23 That the property is landscaped in accordance
24 spaces per unit, spaces per commercial retail use, 24 with the submitted landscape plan;
25 so we've done that comparison, and the proposed 25 That applicant designer propose bicycle and
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1 sides, the right side now is 9-by-18, and they're 1 pedestrian safety improvements along the adjacent
2 proposing an 8.5-by-18 space. 2 road segments per the South Miami Intermodal
3 Another item is currently --these 3 Transportation Plan dated January 2015;
4 developments are required to go to Environmental 4 And, finally, one of the major other
5 Review Preservation Board. Under the new proposal, 5 conditions is to obtain approval for the master
6 that would not be required. 6 signage plan prior to submitting building permit
7 And part of the request is to rezone the 7 approval.
8 property from specialty retail to the downtown 8 So next steps, the recommendation ofthe
9 zoning district, the new zoning district. And, 9 Planning Board would be moved forward if they did
10 again, part of the Planning Board's powers and 10 make a recommendation to the City Commission, which
11 duties is to look at these rezoning and land II would hear, again, all six items. There's the text
12 development codes and requests. 12 amendment, the land use map change.
13 The applicant is also requesting to be removed 13 What's interesting about those, they do need
14 from the Hometown Overlay district, again, to 14 to go to the State after adoption of the second
15 achieve what they're proposing to do. So there are 15 reading; whereas, the zoning code, the zoning maps,
16 some requirements in the Hometown Overlay that, 16 and site plan do not. So they could all be heard
17 really, they felt they needed to get away from to, 17 in one hearing, as they are tonight, but the site
18 you know, to do this development. 18 plan would not become effective until 30 days after
19 Last but not least, Request 6 is initial site 19 the adoption, after the City adopts the text
20 plan approval ofthe Shops at Sunset Place. Again, 20 amendment and the future land use map amendments.
21 when we reviewed this, this is a new zoning 21 The adoption hearing date is coming --not the
22 district, new regulations, development standards, 22 adoption, the first reading at Commission is
23 that would be applicable only to this parcel, so we 23 scheduled for November 6th, and then, after that, a
24 reviewed what was submitted on plan, to what could 24 couple weeks, I would assume, it would be heard at
25 be proposed under the new district regulations. So 25 the adoption hearing.
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I And with that, I close my presentation. 1 promise to go as fast as I can, as long as you all
2 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. 2 promise to interrupt me if! go too fast or if!
3 ATTORNEY BASS: Mr. Chairman, Members of the 3 blow through something that's an area of interest,
4 Commission, Ms. Palmer, nice to see you again, and 4 where you have some questions.
5 welcome to the Members of the City Commission who 5 So I'm going to walk through the macro
6 are present here or who may be listening to us. 6 planning and legal issues, before I introduce
7 Jeffrey Bass is my name. 46 Southwest First 7 Mr. Bernard Zyscovich, who will walk you through
8 Street is my address. It's my great privilege to 8 the design of this plan and the particular
9 be representing the owner applicant that's before 9 architectural decisions that are animating it.
10 you, Federal Realty, Grass River, and the Comras 10 After Mr. Zyscovich, Mr. Victor Dover is going
11 Company. 11 to talk to you about this plan and the Hometown and
12 We've been at this for some time. It's been 12 how this plan synergizes with the Hometown. After
13 quite a road that we've traveled to get here, and I 13 Mr. Dover, Mr. Tim Plummer will present briefly th
14 would like to thank your City's Professional Staff, 14 issues of traffic and concurrency, to make sure we
15 you all, your City Manager, for having the special 15 have an opportUnity to fully flesh that out, for
16 meeting and taking the time that this very 16 those of you who have a question or two about
17 important application deserves for its review. 17 traffic. And after that, I'm going playa video
18 I'm exceptionally proud of the community 18 for you that shows what this project is really all
19 outreach that we've undertaken before coming before 19 about.
20 you this evening. One year ago, one year ago, we 20 I would like to take just a step back and do
21 had our first community meeting. We had five 21 my very best to simplify this, because these
22 community meetings, where we've hosted members of 22 documents are complex and in the abstract, but
23 the neighborhood. We've had countless small-group 23 together, they work singularly to allow this City
24 meetings. We've walked the sidewalks in the 24 to approve what we believe to be the very best
25 streets of South Miami, as evidenced by the great 25 chance for success for the Shops at Sunset and for
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1 turnout that you see behind me. We've had I the continued life and vitality of the downtown
2 small-group dinner parties. We've had large 2 district.
3 meetings. 3 We'll also have our landscape expert here to
4 And I'd be quite proud to say, that, for our 4 answer any questions you have about landscape. And
5 neighborhood meetings that we've hosted, we mailed 5 at the conclusion, I'm going to ask this Board to
6 notice for those informal meetings to the owners 6 please recommend favorably to the Commission that
7 within 500 feet, just as your City mailed notice 7 they adopt every one of our six requests.
8 for tonight. 8 There's a theme that surrounds this project,
9 So we embarked on an exceptionally aggressive 9 and that theme can be stated this way: This is the
10 campaign to make sure that the members of this 10 right project, at the right place, at the right
11 community were well informed about our development 11 time. As we walk through the presentation this
12 program, and we've had meetings of November, 12 evening, we hope to be able to demonstrate to you
13 February, March, May, and August, through 2017, and 13 why that's the case.
14 we held a separate meeting where he hosted the 14 Let me start with place. This is the most
15 South Miami Neighborhood Association, to make sure 15 suitable place in the city of South Miami for a
16 that we communicated with the representation in the 16 truly mixed-use urban development district,
17 lager community and included them, even if they 17 dominated by life and bodies, morning, noon, and
18 were owners outside of the radius. 18 night. We're located on a principal arterial,
19 I'm quite proud of the outreach and the 19 US-I. Weare surrounded by minor arterials, Red
20 conversations that it's created and the friendships 20 Road and Sunset, and, to state the obvious fact,
21 and relationships that have come forward. 21 we're directly across the street from the
22 I would like to outline for you, Mr. Chairman, 22 Metrorail.
23 our presentation and the sequence of our 23 So as it relates to why this place is
24 presenters. We hope to walk you through, as 24 suitable, there are some indisputable facts that
25 swiftly as possible, this very important plan. I 25 render it suitable for vital mixed-use development,
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1 and Mr. Zyscovich will talk to you a little bit, 1 rezonings outside this area, and it continued to
2 when we get into the design, about how those 2 increase the City's tax base and fiscal health for
3 primary factors help shape some of the design 3 new development and redevelopment, increased
4 decisions about where we place certain aspects of 4 property value, annotations, impacted these plans
5 our program on our site. 5 and other strategies as appropriate.
6 Now, to the extent that there is a question 6 When you look at the question of place and you
7 about the suitability of this site for this type of 7 look at our application through the lens of your
8 development, that question was asked and answered 8 Comprehensive Plan, you will see that this project
9 in the '70s, when we came together as a community 9 really represents the embodiment and the
10 to pass, at that time, the largest bond issue in 10 implementation of your Comprehensive Plan and its
11 the history of America, which was called the Decade 11 direction for where growth should be.
12 of Progress. We passed the Decade of Progress 12 Again, to break it down, we're across the
13 bonds at the ballots, by a vote of 2 to 1, to fund 13 street from the Metrorail transit station. We're
14 the system that we called Metrorail. 14 creating a new district, and we're containing that
15 And the quo for the quid of approving 15 new district, and the net effect of that is a place
16 Metrorail was the recognition that transit doesn't 16 where people can live and ride transit.
17 work if you have to drive to the transit. If you 17 And from a planning perspective, what does
18 have to drive to the transit, you've defeated the 18 that do? That decreases the pressure to sprawl,
19 very idea of having mass transit. To fulfill the 19 which is a policy that, as a city, we've agreed we
20 mandate of Metrorail, you need to place density 20 should be doing.
21 near the transit, and this application does just 21 The State of Florida has similarly adopted
22 that. 22 policies that discourage urban sprawl. Here I need
23 For a long time, myself included, we referred 23 to get a bit technical, for a moment, and preview
24 to it as "metro-fail." It was a system that nobody 24 what you will hear from Mr. Plummer, and Ms. Palmer
25 used, but we have, in our application materials --25 raised the issue of concurrency, and I know she
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1 I'll ask Ms. Vaughan to put up a chart that shows 1 does her homework.
2 the staggering increase in ridership in Metrorail. 2 To discourage sprawl, the State of Florida
3 Now, it's interesting, the Metrorail ridership 3 created a mechanism to allow urban growth to occur
4 spiked when the gas prices rose, and people took to 4 where it should occur, and that mechanism is known
5 Metrorail to save money. But when the gas prices 5 as a transportation concurrency exception area,
6 eased back, people continued to ride Metrorail, 6 which we abbreviate as TCEA. This property is
7 because they realized that it was a much better way 7 located within a TCEA, which means the State of
8 to get to and from downtown, than sitting in 8 Florida, by law, has said you cannot deny an
9 bumper-to-bumper traffic, in a single-occupant 9 application within a TCEA based on traffic. To say
10 vehicle, going nowhere fast. 10 the same thing differently, it would be unlawful
11 So the Metrorail is alive and well. You can 11 for you to deny application within a TCEA based on
12 see it's not only the South Miami station that has 12 traffic.
13 experienced exponential growth, but the system 13 These points, I'm quite pleased to say, are
14 overall has experienced exponential growth. 14 academic, because Mr. Plummer will tell you, that
15 As a city, this city adopted a policy that is 15 even if you were going to apply a concurrency
16 anti-sprawl. In its constitution for growth, the 16 analysis to us at all ofthe appropriate
17 Comprehensive Plan, the city has enshrined its 17 intersections, we absolutely satisfy the adopted
18 commitment against sprawl in two primary policies 18 levels of service and, in fact, do not create any
19 that are before you. 19 new PM peak trips during the critical hour, and we
20 The Policy 2.1.3, which is on the board, 20 do that because this is a mixed-use project, and
21 discouraged urban commercial sprawl by promoting 21 the mixtures of use complement one another and
22 growth in the area surrounding the Metrorail 22 allow us to internalize trips.
23 transit system by creating a district for new 23 I don't want to steal all ofMr. Plummer's
24 growth, which it contained, transit-oriented, and 24 thunder, and he will be more than happy to
25 thereby relieving the pressure for commercial 25 elaborate for you, when he speaks.
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1 And if there's any question about that, the
2 City hired its own outside traffic expert. I think
3 it's very important for the members of the public
4 who are here, to know the City hired its own
5 expert, and it's own expert has reviewed
6 Mr. Plummer's findings and concurs with them.
7 Now, let me move to the right time. We talked
8 about the right place, the right time. Retail is
9 changing and being challenged in ways that were
10 unimaginable 5 years ago. Many of the stores in
11 the core of our downtown are closed, and those that
12 are not closed are on life support.
13 If you walk from Red Road along Sunset Drive,
14 you will pass closed storefront after closed
15 storefront, which, by all measurements, should be
16 the intersection of Main and Main. It should be
17 the most bustling commercial intersection, and yet
18 storefront after storefront there is closed.
19 Our merchants, our restaurant owners are
20 facing competition from e-retailers and online,
21 sure, but they're also facing competition from the·
22 city of Coral Gables and Dadeland and Merrick Park
23 and I'm not that old, but they're facing
24 competition from shopping destinations that didn't
25 exist 5 years ago, the City Center, downtown Doral,
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2 of reasons not to go to South Miami. These are the
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4 We're giving people a reason to stay in South
5 Miami, to shop in South Miami, to live in South
6 Miami, and to keep their offices and places of work
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8 The time is right now, because you have a very
9 unique opportunity. You have a team of people
10 before you with the capital, with the expertise,
II with the commitment, with the incredible authentic
12 local knowledge, who've lived here their whole
13 lives for generations, to deliver to you a project
14 that we hope, at the end of the day, becomes South
15 Miami's living room, so we don't have to drive to
16 the Gables, so we don't have to drive to South
17 Beach, to go eat in a newly exciting restaurant or
18 to walk around and meet friends.
19 What you~re going to see in this application
20 is an incredible commitment to the public realm.
21 We are demolishing substantial portions of the
22 center, so we can create the San Remo Plaza, a
23 place, a public park, within our property, where we
24 hope people can gather, and we hope that it becomes
25 a center for our town, just like all these other
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competitors have centers in their town.
Before I turn it over to Mr. Zyscovich, I
. would like to transition for a moment about height
and talk about height, because I know that's a
topic that's of importance to many people. I would
like to address it preemptively. And I'd be more
than happy to discuss it in my rebuttal. And,
Mr. Chairman, I would like to reserve some time for
rebuttal, if you allow us for it.
I'm not going to apologize about our height.
Our buildings are tall where they should be tall.
To talk about height in isolation is to engage in
conjecture. Height needs to be discussed within
scale. It needs to be discussed within the
suitability of the location.
So where did we locate our height? We located
our height far away from single-family residential
neighborhoods. We located our height far from
where we would impact anybody. We put our heigh
next to six lanes of US-I, a principal arterial,
and the Metrorail right-of-way. And when you see
the design that comes before you, you will see
compositionally, architecturally, our height is
perfectly suitable for where we placed it.
And I would like to note, on Sunset and as we
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touch that height. We're going to be re-skinning
and freshening and rejuvenating and reinvigorating
Sunset, as it wraps around Red, to a pivot point on
San Remo.
But we are not increasing heights of this
project on Sunset Drive. We hope to enhance our
own face on Sunset, so that we can be a better
partner with the existing fabric of Sunset Drive.
I'd like to say, we're not next to a park.
We're not next to an ocean. We not next to a
historic monument, where we put these heights. Our
height will not interfere with anybody's use of
their property, and it will not adversely impact
anybody in any way.
Florida, for 50 years, has not recognized our
right to a view as a matter oflaw. Even if it
did, we're not blocking anybody's view of anything.
What we're doing is putting the critical amount of
people in a hotel and in apartments, to ensure that
we animate both this center and the streets of
Sunset with people who want to live there, work
there, eat there, shop there, and call that home.
I've heard said that the greatest mass transit
invention of all time is not the train, but the
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I elevator. Because the elev.ator allows people to 1
2 live in highly efficient buildings, where we don't 2
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4 and our agricultural land out of production, to 4
5 build just another suburban subdivision. 5
6 An elevator is what allows for urban living 6
7 and to be sure that this project was all about 7
8 creating a vital, urban, contained district, right 8
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10 Our height allows us to bring elegant design 10
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13 And with that, I would like to tum it over to 13
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17 CHAIRMANBASU: If you are wishing to speak, 17
18 there's a sign-in sheet for "for" and "against," so 18
19 you need to sign up on the appropriate list. Thank 19
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21 MR. ZYSCOVICH: Mr. Chairman, Members of the 21
22 Board, thank you for the opportunity to address 22
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24 My name is Bernard Zyscovich. My offices are 24
25 in downtown Miami, lOa North Biscayne Boulevard, in 25
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3 Shops in South Miami for years. 3
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5 all, describe to you the intent. What I understand 5
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So we want to let you know that we've been 14
studying this for a long time. We also want to let 15
you know that we see this as an opportunity to 16
create something very special. 17
I do this a lot, and I work with many 18
different clients, many different attorneys, and I 19
want to emphasize one thing, that all of the 20
documentation that is before you regarding planning 21
and zoning is really, in many respects, the direct 22
result of the design. So this is not simply a 23
legal request. This legal work has really been 24
done to deconstruct what the design has been 25
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creating, and the creation of the design is very
respectful of the existing character of the city
and also very much in line with making sure that we
protect it and that we enhance it wherever
possible.
So with that, I'll take you through what we've
done, and I think you'll see what we mean. First
of all, here's the context map. This is the
Metrorail. Here we have US-l, Red Road, Sunset,
and here is this aerial, which shows you, in many
respects, what has been here for all of these
years.
It's an open space internally, and it is a
garage off of 58th, but when you look at the
character that surrounds it, you see that the shops
are pretty much continuos all throughout, with one
really big exception, they don't, other than
Sunset, have shops that open up to the street.
There are very few places where you can come
through into it.
And one of our big objectives, when you look
at it from the big picture, is that we want to take
the beaming, and all of those popular activities
that were happening in the '70s and '80s, which
were designed, basically, for one idea, to keep
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everybody inside.
South Miami, to my knowledge, and I'm sure you
will agree, is a beautiful downtown, that has
people strolling in the streets. The grid and
their connectivity are very important, and I would
like to emphasize, that that is a very big part of
what we're trying to do.
The location of walking along US-I, if you've
ever tried to do that, is not pleasant, very, very
narrow sidewalks, and we're going to show you in
the presentation how we've gone out of our way to
increase the setbacks to create more landscape and
more public space.
And we're also going to show you in what areas
we're choosing to demolish, what we're thinking of
in Phase 2 and show you what Jeffreally accurately
described as a significant increase in the public
realm. In plain English, what that means is open
space, park, park-like space, setbacks, sidewalks,
etc.
So when you look at the existing conditions in
this location --you know, the pictures often tell
you the reality that you pass every day in a
different way, and I think that these photographs
of the existing shops really show you very clearly
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1 the lack of opportunity for landscape, how themed 1 project, I don't know how many of you drive in from
2 the buildings are. They're full of color, but 2 your parking garage or walk in, but if you are
3 they're not full oflife. 3 someone who drives in, what confronts you, when you
4 And I think that when you go back to the right 4 enter, is a maze of ramps and stairs and
5 place and the right time, that is really about 5 impediments, that are not even aligned in the same
6 trying to turn this project inside out and have as 6 elevation.
7 many people on the sidewalk, shopping, as would be 7 And one of the ideas is that we're going to be
8 inside, and to use it as a true mixed-use 8 creating a new space up here, on the second level
9 destination, which is what we're after. 9 of retail, which allows you to come into an open
10 Ifwe can go to the next one. So let me take 10 space, walk down, and enter into the center.
11 you through the site plan. Here you have our 11 So in Phase 1, what we're really doing is
12 proposed site plan, and after all, this is 12 we're removing footprint. We're not adding height.
13 important, because what we're asking for is the 13 We're doing one new addition in here, where we
14 site plan approval. 14 demolish the giant stairs, and we put in something
15 You can see here that this area, along Sunset IS new, and then we open up the space, and that is our
16 and through this zone, we're going to show you in 16 Phase I proj ect.
17 our drawings, that what we're doing is freshening 17 So Phase 1 is, in many respects, a major
18 it up, taking the themed elements off, and 18 change in the way the project feels and looks, but
19 essentially creating a new vision of what is, in 19 we've saved the new development for what we're
20 many respects, already there. 20 calling Phase 2, which is where the hotel is, the
21 Once we turn the corner, we're going to be 21 two apartments, the drop-off, and the valet.
22 taking the Red Road elevations and going ahead and 22 So here's another aspect of how we're changing
23 increasing the amount of space where people can 23 the site that I think is very important. When you
24 access into the project. But most importantly, 24 enter off of Red Road and you come in, we want to
25 we're going to be creating a new space in here, 25 have a lay-by or a drop-off, where you can come
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1 which is the demolition of this portion of the 1 into the hotel, but San Remo will be reconfigured,
2 existing shops. 2 and it will be both direction, so our thinking is
3 When I go to this drawing, I think you'll see 3 you can drive in, you can also drive out. If
4 it more clearly. This project has many, many 4 you've ever driven in off of the US-l entry, you
5 attributes that we think requires some attention, 5 know that the building is above your head, and it
6 but I think this drawing shows you most clearly 6 looks like you're entering a tunnel. Part of the
7 what we're really changing. 7 plan in the demolition is to remove that space, so,
8 The footprint of Sunset, Red, the area along 8 just like the rest of your city, this street and
9 the main street, the parking, all the that, we're 9 that street are now open to the sky, and this
10 not actually touching. The footprint remains to 10 really begins to feel like a block, as opposed to a
11 same, and with the exception of adding a couple of 11 run-on sentence, which is the way the mall feels
12 floors of parking, we're not adding any height or 12 right now.
13 changing any volumes. 13 So these are the main considerations that come
14 In fact, we're doing the opposite. And this 14 into play with the way that we've approached the
15 is a very unusual thing that most developers would 15 plan.
16 not do. They're taking away this piece of the 16 I also want to draw your attention to one last
17 building, and I'll show you later on what that 17 thing on this plan; which is, the sidewalk along
18 looks like, in order to create a new entry point 18 US-I, we're setting back this building an
19 right here, on San Remo. 19 additional 1 0 feet beyond the property line, and on
20 We're changing the way the buildings look, so 20 the comer, an additional 30 feet beyond the
21 that we can create a new entry experience on 21 property line.
22 Sunset, same scale, same character, we hope you 22 So the sidewalk will vary between 20 and
23 agree, better architecture, better design, that 23 50 feet, so that we have room for mature landscape.
24 actually has a new, fresh look. 24 We've heard, loud and clear from the people, that
25 But when you look at the other aspects of the 25 we want shade trees. This will be predominately
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1 shade trees. It's going to be pedestrian friendly. 1 ground floor, reconfigure the way the building
2 It's going to have the walkability issues, that we 2 looks, and take these stores and these
3 think everybody will be in favor of. 3 opportunities and, actually, tum them outwards,
4 Next slide. So now let me take you through, 4 toward the street, make them more walkable and much
5 quickly, some of these images. I am sure you're 5 more friendly.
6 very familiar with this image. What we're not used 6 Next, thank you. Now we get to the point
7 to looking at is how dark it looks under here. 7 where you can see, in this drawing, the aerial that
8 This has been an issue forever. 8 shows you what the project looks like, the bridge
9 I remember when it was Rain Forest. I 9 and San Remo, and what we'te proposing to do. This
10 remember all the different iterations that have 10 is from the same location. What we're proposing to
11 happened. But when you enter right here, on the 11 do is, at this new point, create a new facade,
12 main street, we understand that we need to really 12 because we're, actually, carving the building back,
13 change this facade. What we're planning to do is 13 all the way to here.
14 leave the height the same, the scale the same, the 14 So why are we doing that? We're doing that
15 square feet is the same, basically everything else 15 because the important thing is to set the proj ect
16 is the same. 16 up to be successful and to make a sense of place,
17 What we're planning to do is remove the 17 to have it be an incredible community asset, as
18 gingerbread and go ahead and calm down the color 18 well as an asset for ourselves, because the more
19 selections and go ahead and put in new landscaping. 19 comfortable it is, the more friendly it is, and
20 And as you can see, we're going to be putting in a 20 accessible it is, the better chance we have, also,
21 new ceiling underneath, so that when you approach, 21 of providing a successful project.
22 it's going to be white and bright and light, and 22 So this becomes the San Remo Plaza. We have a
23 you're going to feel like you're walking into a 23 new facade in this location. This is the new piece
24 place that's really quite different than what 24 of the building I mentioned. And if you could look
25 you're used to. 25 down into that space, you would see this is where
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1 The other thing that was part of the beaming 1 we're removing the stairways, the ramps, etc., and
2 was, in a very inauthentic way, make the street 2 creating a new sense of entry from the parking
3 look like it used to be a street and now it got 3 garage.
4 converted to a walkway, and what we're planning to 4 So, as you recall on the drawing I showed you
5 do is put in new paving, change the elevations, 5 earlier, this really represents Phase 1 for us.
6 create more outdoor cafes, create more walkable 6 Here you can see the additional floors of the
7 areas, and really tum Sunset into a cafe street, 7 parking structure. But this is the pivot point.
8 where you can walk through Banyan Court and enter 8 This is the place where we say this area toward
9 into the open space, that we're going to show you 9 US-l is now going to be the engine that feeds us
10 in a moment. 10 and the town and everyone else. We're going to
11 Next. It could be said there are two 11 provide for new opportunities for housing, for a
12 signature comers. This is certainly one of them, 12 new hotel, and to get the bodies there that we
13 Red and Sunset. This is what iflooks like now, 13 think are really important to make sure that the
14 and it has a tremendous amount of presence on the 14 project is successful.
15 street. It has a lot of character. As we 15 So here's the garage. We're taking out all of
16 mentioned, we want to, basically, simplify the 16 that construction, and we're creating a new second
17 facade and enhance it. But one of the things that 17 floor retail, where you currently have the second
18 you see here is this gives you the appearance of an 18 floor retail, and what we're going to do is tum
19 arcaded, active street, but the reality is there 19 the stair, create a new entry point up to AMC,
20 are very few openings in that street, and it's not 20 which is on the third floor of retail and,
21 very productive to walk there. And in many 21 basically, make this a new outdoor space, so that
22 respects, a lot of people think Red Road needs a 22 when you come down from the garage, the first thing
23 complete makeover, and we don't disagree. 23 you have is a sense of place. You have a feeling
24 But what we're proposing to do in the new 24 that you've arrived somewhere.
25 scheme is to, as you can see here, open up the 25 Because, right now, if you come from the
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1 garage, you don't really feel like you've arrived 1 drive, which looks to me like a tunnel, and I want
2 anywhere, until you end up all the way down on the 2 to draw your attention to that, because, as I
3 ground floor. We feel strongly about the fact that 3 mentioned, when we demolish really only this
4 this is a huge enhancement. 4 triangle, what comes with it is this over-dome,
5 Next. Here is another one where you can see 5 where you drive in underneath. And we'll show you
6 what some people call the drum or the silo of the 6 in the new drawing how that becomes II new street
7 existing property, and what we're doing here is all 7 open to the sky, which we think will change the
8 of this elevation work, as we demolish it, you can 8 character all together.
9 see here our idea about creating a hotel on the 9 So you can see that what makes this happen, in
10 comer, the apartments, but take a look at how 10 this location, is really the way they took the
11 animated the street becomes and how set back from 11 facade and they broke it up into what looks like
12 US-l the building is. 12 different buildings, but they're, essentially;
13 So you're going to see later in the 13 inaccessible. The sidewalk there I think is
14 presentation where we show you the images from 14 8 feet. The sidewalk here is 5 feet. And as I
15 US-I, that one of the most important aspects of 15 mentioned, we're going to be enhancing that.
16 what we're doing is reconnecting, from all 16 So here is the image that we've been
17 directions, this property into the rest of the 17 generating as a result of the thinking that we've
18 city. So we are leading out with additional open 18 been showing you. This is the LA Fitness, after it
19 space, more walkways, more open space, and more 19 is refreshed and the new facade is up. This is the
20 setback, which we think will have a huge advantage. 20 entry into what becomes the parking.
21 This is also going to be, from an economic and 21 The second-level space, where you exit from
22 from a vitality point of view a really important 22 the parking, as I mentioned on the other drawing,
23 driver for the city. A brand new hotel is an 23 you'll actually be able to see as you're driving
24 amazing thing to have in your downtown. You're 24 in, because there will be people here that are
25 going to see, in a moment, the new drawings. We're 25 coming down on the ground floor, and here you see
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1 looking at rooftop activities in the form of a 1 the approach to apartment living in South Miami.
2 place where people can go. We're looking at a lot 2 It's going to be interesting. It's going to
3 of open space on the ground floor, that can feed 3 be fresh. It's going to be new. It's going to be
4 out into the retail. So we're very excited about 4 exiting. And we want to build in the same
5 this idea. 5 amenities that really good, active places have,
6 So to blow up what is maybe the second most 6 amenities for the tenants, a pool deck on the roof,
7 important comer, what we're proposing is to use 7 a way that would set the building back and carve
8 the landscape and to use the setback as an urban 8 back the building to allow more light into the
9 plaza, so that US-I, instead of feeling like a 9 space.
10 highway, starts to feel like a Boulevard. You can 10 But perhaps the most important thing, is that,
11 walk there and feel like you're safe. You can walk 11 for the first time, especially when you compare it
12 there and feel like you're comfortable. In fact, 12 to what exists, there's a new entry point for
13 you can even have umbrellas and cafe tables, and 13 vehicles and a whole new entry point that's an
14 US-l would become an entirely different entry point 14 extension of what started on Sunset, that walkway
15 as the most important gateway into the city. 15 that you're used to, it extends all the way out to
16 And as you can see, as you begin to look at 16 US-I. And you can see the landscaping set back all
17 where we put the height, it's there for a reason. 17 throughout the whole project and how we intend to
18 We're going to be animating the comer. It is the 18 animate the entire property.
19 right place, as Jeff Bass said. If you're going to 19 The hotel itself is going to be a marquee-type
20 have it anywhere, it should be here, and we feel 20 hotel, which will be quite beautiful and have a
21 very excited about where it stands on the comer 21 rooftop bar, have amenities on the ground floor,
22 and announces the new gateway. 22 and will be, I believe, a real asset to the
23 N ext. So when you look at what this looks 23 community. It will be a real place to go, a place
24 like from US-I, as I showed you the other aerials, 24 to have a party catered. There will be things like
25 here is the drum, here is US-I. This is the entry 25 that, that will be really beneficial, I believe, to
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1 the whole community. 1 Miami in and around those edges require a lot of
2 And then, finally, when we take the camera and 2 cooperation, not done by this applicant by
3 push it a little bit more towards Red Road, you 3 themselves, but it requires coordination with the
4 begin to see what we're talking about, which is 4 State, County~ with Coral Gables, and South Miami's
5 that Banyan Court, which started all the way on 5 leadership, but it can be done.
6 Sunset, actually continues completely through. 6 That was the most important thing, to make
7 So we now have a pedestrian-only, 7 sure that, as they develop the boundaries of their
8 open-to-the-sky access point, that connects the 8 parcel, that they weren't doing anything that would
9 entire project. But it doesn't connect it only 9 foreclose the possibility of a much tighter
10 with shopping. If you remember the San Remo Plaza, 10 integration with the surroundings.
11 that becomes part of the project. I think there's 11 Inside the project, I thought I would say
12 renderings in your book showing what it looks like 12 something about the two land uses that you heard
13 from Red Road. 13 mention a moment ago, the residential component and
14 So as you're moving through, you're constantly 14 the lodging, the hotel component.
15 being exposed, from the right, to the left, with 15 These are not new goals. In fact, if you go
16 new open space, with new landscaping, with new 16 back to the Hometown plan, both <;>fthem are
17 materials, and with a very exciting downtown. 17 mentioned specifically, residential in particular.
18 And that concludes my presentation. Thank you 18 We always knew it would be crucial to have more
19 much for your interest. 19 than just shopping and eating going on, have a real
20 ATTORNEY BASS: Mr. Chairman, Members, Victor 20 downtown, people living downtown. In fact, the SR
21 Dover. 21 district, the specialty retail district, was
22 MR. DOVER.: Good evening. My name is Victor 22 originally called the specialty retail and
23 Dover, Dover, Kohl & Partners, town planners. I'm 23 residential districts, always intended to be mixed
24 a fellow in American Certified Planners, in private 24 use.
25 practice, marking our 30th anniversary. 25 I think that's been crucial all along. We
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1 25 years ago I had the privilege to meet one 1 realize that. And it's even more crucial now for
2 of the coauthors that helped create the Hometown 2 the reasons that Jeffrey mentioned, online
3 plan for downtown South Miami, and after that, the 3 retailing and our changing ambitions. The
4 Hometown Overly District ordinance you heard tell 4 Underline is about to be an address of importance.
5 about earlier this evening. 5 Wouldn't it be great if we were the first to have a
6 I thought it would be useful just to mention a 6 hotel that was really integrated with a face and
7 couple of things, one about the edges of the 7 named for its position along the Underline? That's
8 project and one about what's going on with the land 8 pretty consistent.
9 uses on the inside. I had the opportunity to 9 I'd like to read you one sentence from the
10 advise the architect and the development team about 10 Hometown plan itself, a document often cited, but
11 the edges, how to set up the project and frame it 11 rarely quoted.
12 and position the buildings, so as not to foreclose 12 . The primary goal is to recognize the city
13 the possibility of a much better Red Road and a 13 street that is a crucial asset and eventually
14 much better 58th Avenue and a much better South 14 reconstruct them as people-friendly public spaces.
15 Dixie Highway. 15 Quote, to nurture the downtown as a neighborhood in
16 But we realize it's important to get those new 16 the making, rather than a collection of buildings
17 buildings in the right locations, so that the full 17 on their parking and a creative mix of uses for
18 promise of the city's intermodal plans could be 18 downtown, Underline, including residential, so that
19 realized. So at the edge of the development, what 19 the area can prosper as an identifiable whole.
20 I see here is that the project is set up so that it 20 That sentence is preamble, really, in the
21 would be easy to integrate it and capture the 21 Hometown plan, and so we encourage you to see that
22 city's intermodal transportation plan and take key 22 those features make it here. 25 years ago, we
23 ideas from the Hometown plan of our public spaces. 23 wanted a lot of residential in downtown, and we
24 Realizing that all of the bike and pedestrian 24 wanted a hotel. We didn't get it. We've been
25 and traffic aspects and walking in downtown South 25 waiting all this time. This is the opportunity to
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1 do so. 1 reviewed and approved by the City and Staff and
2 Thank you. I would be happy to answer 2 their independent traffic consultant Calvin,
3 questions that you have, if any come up. 3 Giordano, and they agree with the conclusions.
4 ATTORNEY BASS: Mr. Plummer will address some 4 Regarding parking, we also undertook a parking
5 of the transportation and concurrency issues that 5 utilization study for the project. This was based
6 were associated with this project. 6 on actual parking data from Sunset Place. This is
7 MR. PLUMMER: Good evening. My name is Tim 7 important because a parking analysis wasn't done
8 Plummer, president of David Plummer Associates. My 8 just based on theoretical standards.
9 office is at 1750 Ponce de Leon Boulevard, Coral 9 The parking operator was able to provide data
10 Gables. I'll taking just a few minutes to discuss 10 from the parking occupancy during the two peak
11 the transportation-related items of the project, 11 months, which are July and December, on the peak
12 including the general transportation 12 day, which is a Saturday, and during the peak hour,
13 characteristics of the area, the traffic impact 13 8:00 p.rn. to 9:00 p.m. No surprise there. Those
14 study, the parking analysis, and finally, the 14 are big months for the movie theater. As expected,
15 transportation-related conditions of approval. 15 the movie theater is the controlling factor for
16 First the area. Jeff described it pretty 16 parking.
17 well. The project is right on a major principal 17 Based on the existing parking information and
18 arterial, US-I, a Metrorail station approximately 18 the City's code, the calculations show that the
19 500 feet from the project, the impact of what will 19 2,369 parking spaces proposed will provide a
20 eventually become the Underline, as Victor just 20 surplus of over 200 parking spaces for the peak
21 mentioned, the key improved pedestrian and bike 21 months, on the peak days, during the peak hour.
22 amenity that's coming forward. 22 This analysis has also been reviewed by the City
23 And as Jeffmentioned earlier too, it's 23 Staff and their independent consultants, and they
24 transportation concurrency exemption area, the 24 agree with our conclusion.
25 TCEA. This is an area designated for redevelopment 25 I also want to talk a little bit about the
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1 and exempt from traffic concurrency, which is why 1 transportation-related conditions of approval.
2 this project is located in the correct location. 2 These are working with the City to get approval for
3 The traffic study, very comprehensive study, 3 an eastbound left tum, on Sunset Drive, at US-I;
4 nine intersections looking at both the AM and the 4 annually evaluating Southwest 58th A venue; the west
5 PM peak periods. We did an operation study. Our 5 side of the project, for a period of5 years; and
6 study included site vehicular circulation, 6 proposing and designing bike and pedestrian
7 pedestrian circulation, a safety review impact to 7 improvements along the roadways adjacent to the
8 schools, and a transit evaluation. Again, it's 8 project.
9 very thorough. 9 In summary, it is a great location, based on
10 It's important to note that the proposed 10 its proximity to US-I, adjacent to US-I, the
11 development program has no additional traffic II proximity of the Metrorail and the Underline.
12 impact in the critical PM peak hour. And I mention 12 Redevelopment transforms Sunset Place into a
13 the PM peak hour, because that's where Miami-Dade 13 true mixed-use project, that helps minimize traffic
14 County measures their traffic concurrency. 14 impact and strongly improves pedestrian activity
15 This is due to the trade-off of retail square 15 and connectivity.
16 footage to residential units. Residential has a 16 The project has been provided a very thorough
17 much lower traffic intensity compared to retail. 17 traffic and parking study, no new traffic impact
18 Also, the residential and hotel components being 18 during the PM peak hour, and the traffic impact
19 introduced to the project help create a true 19 study meets the City's concurrency level of
20 mixed-use project, which allows these residents to 20 standard for traffic.
21 satisfy some of their trip-making without getting 21 Parking has 200 excess spaces, and again, the
22 into a car. 22 parking studies have been reviewed and approved by
23 The traffic study conclusions are that the 23 the City Staff and their independent traffic
24 project meets the City's level of service standards 24 engineer.
25 and traffic concurrency. This study has been 25 I'll be here to a~swer any questions you might
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13 MEMBER PHILIPS: I have a couple of questions
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16 One of them is, there is absolutely no mention
17 of solar power, and you have so much roof space,
18 and I don't know why you didn't include that in
19 your design. That's one of my wishes, always.
20 The other is, is this affordable housing? We
21 have a lot of need for workforce housing and
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And I have one very little technical question. 19
When you're taking this chunk of property and 20
making it a whole separate zone, why leave out that 21
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ATTORNEY BASS: If! may, Ms. Philips, I'll
address your questions, in the order that I've
written them down. If! don't answer one ofthem,
please let me know.
I don't have an answer for you with respect to
solar. As proposed, the project, at this state,
hasn't gotten to that level of detail. Should the
City adopt an ordinance that would require that,
obviously, we would be happy to comply with that
ordinance. But the plans, as proposed, do not
include solar at this time.
If that's a recommendation that you would like
us to look at, as we go forward, that's why we're
here. That's why we having that conversation, and
I would be more than happy to look into the
feasibility of incorporating solar into this. I'm
not saying no. But you are correct, we didn't
mention it, because it's not a part of our
application at this time.
As it relates to housing affordability,
affordability is a big word that has lots of
different meanings for different people, so I don't
pretend to understand it. Let me just give you the
price points that we expect to be using, and then
we can have a separate conversation.
This is market housing, and the prices of the
units range from $1,650 a month, for the smaller
unit, to $3,000 a month for the larger units.
That's the price we believe this market to be, and
that's the price that we're anticipating the market
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ordinance, to the best of my knowledge, that
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MEMBER PHILIPS: It would have to be forced.
CHAIRMAN BASU: That's not up for debate right
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ATTORNEY BASS: Our partner is deeply
committed to sustainability. You can see that on
their website, and as we go through this process,
that's certainly a guiding principal.
As it relates to parking, what we did, we did
not use the prior projections. We used the actual
utilization, and that was the ratio that we got.
We have a real problem in this town. We have
way too many parking garages, that aren't really
parking garages. They're car storage places. The
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2 2 years, in a very dramatic way, from the time 2 MEMBER JACOBS: In your outreach, you were --
3 these regulations were put into place. 3 within our CRA, we have 20 percent of the people
4 We have to work for ourselves, and based on 4 living below the poverty level, and another 20
5 our historical operating and empirical data, that 5 percent or at or around the poverty level.
6 is the ratio that is best suited, given the way 6 So I went to one of your outreach meetings,
7 that the center functions. 7 and I asked, what is your plan to deal with health
8 CHAIRMAN BASU: Next? 8 care for the low-level workers that you have? I
9 MEMBER JACOBS: I'm concerned about the 9 asked if you were going to provide health
10 Hometown station, the Hometown project, and making 10 insurance.
II your own district, similar to what Disney did at II And the staff said that they would get back to
12 Disney World, that you're really writing your own 12 their partners, the Federal Realty Trust, who are
I3 rules, and the rules include things like, not to 13 the 85 percent owners of this. If and when it got
14 diminish anything, but the floor are is doubled. 14 back with them, I haven't heard.
15 The dwellings is tripled. And the seating space --15 Because that is something that's not within
16 I mean, the parking spaces are lessened, really. 16 zoning, but, you know, it's community. It's the
17 And the history of our Hometown project was we 17 spirit ofthe.community that you're living in, and
18 had charrettes, with people involved, and they 18 recognizing who you're living with, you've got to
19 decided to go low scale. Four stories was the 19 serve everybody, recognize and support the
20 limit. So if you intensify it to 20, that's 20 community.
21 really --I can see why you're throwing that all 21 ATTORNEY BASS: I'm going to get you an
22 out and writing your own rules, but I don't see 22 answer, Mr. Jacobs on how the traffic data is
23 what advantage it has to our city, being that we 23 collected. But what I would like to do is use your
24 never asked for this, and you can't come in and ask 24 comment as an opportunity to refocus on your role
25 for it with no need expressed by the citizens for 25 in the Planning Board, evaluating land use
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1 such a project. 1 applications that affect property rights.
2 It may be that it will improve the number of 2 This is not a health care board, to set health
3 people. That's certain. And if the number of 3 care policy, as noble as that may be, and it would
4 people are affluent; because the prices of rent, it 4 be for this Board to step far outside of its
5 win be an affluent clientele, that the shopping 5 delegated authority, to start imposing obligations
6 could increase, but then I see rents increasing for 6 or judging these applications based on something
7 the shop owners. 7 like that. I just had to respond to that, for the
8 So those are problems that I see, that are 8 record.
9 difficult to overcome. I would like to know, how 9 And I would like Mr. Plummer to please address
10 did they get the traffic data? What's the source, 10 the traffic.
11 and who collected the data? Because I find it 11 MR. PLUMMER: I'd like to try to understand
12 really hard to believe the traffic has decreased, 12 your question again. Was it traffic in the area or
I3 the past few years, around Red Road and Dixie 13 traffic in and out of the project?
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15 ATTORNEY BASS: If! may, Mr. Jacobs, address 15 station is, how it's backed up, and it's already
16 the first part of your comment, which wasn't really 16 backed up, and the idea that this project isn't
17 a question. What I would ask of you would be to 17 going to affect it at all is difficult to believe.
18 withhold your judgment on the need for this and the 18 How did you collect your data?
19 expressed need for this, until you hear from 19 MR. PLUMMER: The data is collected by an
20 members of the public who are here and who have 20 independent company that goes out and counts the
21 something to say. And that will be for you to 21 actual movements at all those intersections, the
22 determine whether they've expressed a need, that 22 left, the right. That issue that you're talking
23 convinces you we need it. 23 about, we discussed with the Staff and their
24 There's a lot of people here this evening, who 24 reviewer, and that is an existing condition
25 wish to express their views on it, and I would like 25 problem. And that mainly happens in the morning,
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where others fail? This will work because this
includes a hotel and a residential, as Mr. Dover
said, where none of the others did.
By bringing a resident population within the
downtown area, we believe that we will create the
critical mass' of people that will populate our
stores and work in our offices. We have an office
component. They'll stay in our hotel. It will
create jobs. They'll eat, shop, visit the stores
and stay in the downtown.
And no other iteration of the development for
this site as built included a critical mass of
residential popUlation.
There are two other reasons. Number one, this
. project places a premium on connectivity to the
existing street network; whereas, the other project
placed a premium on sealing, bunkering, and
disconnecting from the existing roadway network.
We're seeking to stitch this one as
organically as we can into the existing fabric, so
it will feel like a natural and organic part ofthe
downtown.
And also, unlike other iterations of this,
along Red Road, we are opening up and creating
exterior storefrontages, for people to come and go,
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MEMBER JACOBS: Okay, thank you.
MEMBER PALMER: Mr. Bass, I find it very
strange setting rules that what we should say up
here, versus what the people have to say. I think
that's a little strange. I think if a question is
posed and it's not --like the health situation,
you could just say that's not a part of us.
But to set rules what we should say, I don't
think is the right way to go, because we an have
something to say, and whether it's not what you
want to hear, that's fine.
However, I have a question. Why do you think
you will not have the same chanenges that Sunset
Place has now? That's my first question to
whoever.
ATTORNEY BASS: Let me apologize, Ms. Palmer,
if the way I responded to that question offended
you in any way. I just want to make sure the
record is clear. I apologize. I want to make sure
that I state that sincerely. It wasn't my
intention to offend you. It was just to keep an
eye on the ban before us.
Ms. Palmer, I will answer your question. It
is the fundamental question. Why will this work
2 So those are the three principal reasons. But
3 singularly, the creation ofa mass of people in the
4 residential buildings and in the hotel is what
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6 MEMBER PALMER: There are two or three other
7 things that I didn't hear, and that was addressing
8 the open space in relation to the population, and
9 that has something to do with concurrency. But
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II population has to relate to your open space. I
12 didn't hear you addressing that part of it, and
13 whether we have enough open space to accommodate
14 this project.
15 Next one, are there any plans to address
16 streets? I know that 57th Avenue, as far as I
17 know, is a historical road that cannot be widened,
18 as far as I know. I don't know if anything is
19 going to happen on Sunset. But based on the
20 traffic that we're having now, just presently, now,
21 having to double it, because the project is going
22 to be over two and a halftimes what we have now.
23 So I'm wondering if any plans are in the works
24 to widen or improve Sunset Drive. It's historical.
25 So that's the thing I was thinking about.
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1 As for the Hometown, the Hometown that we had 1 make the same justification as to why they're
2 establishes in the past, this project is not 2 entitled to it, that's that applicant's choice, and
3 consistent with their goals. So that is another 3 the decision will be based on the justification
4 situation here. Because it's like an isolation. 4 that applicant proposes.
5 You have a little island, and what you're trying to 5 This district was drawn to guard against a
6 do or asking for is that you're going to have a 6 fear that we would be establishing a precedent that
7 destination that nobody else has. 7 could reverberate throughout the entire city. To
8 And one question pertaining to that, for 8 be sure, we are not. This is limited to the parcel
9 example, if John Brown came up tomorrow and said I 9 proximate to the Metrorail, along a major arterial,
10 want the same destination that you got, to do their 10 of a certain minimum size. So this intensity is
11 project, would they be allowed or would they be 11 not appropriate on a very small parcel of land, but
12 given that opportunity? I know that question is 12 we believe it to be fundamentally appropriate here.
13 for our attorney. 13 You mentioned open space and concurrency, and
14 But having one specification for one 14 I believe that Mr. David testified in his staff
15 developer, would that be a legal problem? 15 presentation, I try not to duplicate what was said
16 ATTORNEY BASS: There was a lot in there. I'm 16 by them, but your staff reviewed this application
17 going to start with the last one and work my way 17 from all aspects of concurrency and found it to be
18 backwards, but I'll1et you tell me if I missed 18 concurrent with respect to your adopted levels of
19 anything. Deal? 19 service in each attribute of concurrency upon which
20 MEMBER PALMER: Deal, yes. 20 your Comprehensive Plan speaks.
21 ATTORNEY BASS: Let's start with the last 21 As related to open space, which I also wrote
22 question, about the legality of the ask, if you 22 down that you made a note about, the open required
23 will. Okay? We're here before you in different 23 is 42,000 square feet. The own space provided is
24 capacities, primarily as an advisory capacity to 24 72,000 square feet, and I think it would be quite
25 the Commission. We're asking for a lot of 25 easy to see from Mr. Zyscovich and his drawings,
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1 different things. We're asking for an amendment to 1 that a fundamental animating principal for us was
2 the Comprehensive Plan. That's a legislative 2 to take this enclosed thing, break it down and open
3 policy decision by the Commission. The Commission 3 it up, and I believe he did a masterful job in
4 can do that, if it wants too. 4 doing that.
5 As it relates to, can somebody else come in 5 Those were the notes that I took on your
6 and ask for it? Anybody is allowed to come in and 6 several questions. If I missed one, I apologize,
7 ask for anything. It might surprise everybody to 7 but, again, I promised you that I would go through
8 know, filing an application, filing a building 8 this as swiftly as I could, because other people
9 application, what I'm doing right now is 9 want to speak.
10 constitutionally protected free speech. Anybody 10 CHAIRMAN BASU: I think you covered it.
11 can come in and ask for anything. 11 MEMBER ALICEA: Thank you for your
12 The question is, by what standard are you 12 presentation. It's very interesting. The couple
13 going to judge it? Each application is unique and 13 of questions I have, areas that I thought were
14 must be evaluated based by each unique set of 14 missing, that needed to be addressed and discussed,
15 circumstances on the unique property, given its 15 I was interested in what kind of sustainability and
16 location. 16 environmental innovations in the design, solar
17 As we stated, and I don't want to repeat, 17 power, water efficiency, and things like that.
18 because a lot of people here want to speak, there 18 Also, I noticed that the property is in the
19 is a uniqueness to our site, given its size, given 19 CRA area and there was no discussion anywhere about
20 its location next to the Metrorai1, given the fact 20 consideration of the CRA plan and affordable
21 that a primary arterial and two minor arterials 21 housing issues that are raised there. I know
22 surround it. We believe those are facts that 22 they've been raised before.
23 uniquely qualify us to ask you what we're asking 23 The other two questions I have, I was
24 for. 24 interested in hearing the justification about the
25 If another applicant wanted to come in and 25 removal of the ERPD review requirement in this
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2 And also I noticed, in the tree reduction, 2 MEMBER ROBINSON: It seems to me that now we
3 there's significant reduction, from like 22to 8 3 have a dysfunctional ugly duckling in a place that
4 per acre, and 50 percent native tree to 35 percent. 4 you're looking to build a crown jewel. Although, I
5 I was interested in also hearing what the 5 think it's very important for South Miami to have
6 justification for those requests are. I'llieave 6 affordable housing, I'm not sure it has to be in
7 it at that. 7 every, single building we do. There are places
8 ATTORNEY BASS: I'll start with the trees 8 where it belongs, and the CRA, we're looking to
9 first. What we tried to do is recognize that the 9 build Madison Square and do some other affordable
10 as-built condition provides significant constraint 10 housing things, and I think it's really important.
11 from where we can plant trees, with respect to the 11 There's a question to whether there's a need.
12 buildings that we're keeping in place. But what 12 Population in South Miami has grown 5.2 percent in
13 you're going to see, and I'll have our landscape 13 the last year, so we need a place for people to
14 architect address this, if you would like, but 14 live. Unemployment rose 4.8 at the same time, and
15 we're very substantially increasing the amount of 15 that's because right now --
16 canopy, and if you look at it cover to cover, shade 16 CHAIRMAN BASU: We'll have time to discuss on
17 per shade, with the number oftrees, the amount of 17 that ourselves, so if you could ask a question, so
18 canopy and the amount of shade goes up 18 we can move on. We haven't started with the public
19 significantly, and I could have our landscape 19 yet. It's 9:00.
20 expert expand on that, if you would like us to do 20 MEMBER ROBINSON: When they were building the
21 it now or wait until at the end. 21 Bakery Center, there was a Phase 1 and Phase 2, and
22 Let me touch on the ERPD, an excellent 22 Phase 2 had two 25-story towers, and they ran out
23 question, and let me explain to you the thinking 23 of money, and they never built that. What are our
24 around the answer. Through the regulatory 24 guarantees that you would complete those two
25 architecture that's before you, our goal is to have 25 towers? I would like something built in there to
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1 the site plan approved, our initial site plan, by I guarantee that.
2 the Commission, as well as approve comp plan 2 CHAIRMAN BASU: We'll have to put that in the
3 amendment, our zoning district, and our reasoning 3 condition, I guess.
4 for it, and then our fundamental governing documen 4 ATTORNEY BASS: I could answer that question
5 will be that site plan approval, with modifications 5 with a simple economic proposition; which is, Phase
6 to it, either major or minor, coming either before 6 2 is how we pay for Phase 1.
7 the City Manager or before you. 7 MEMBER ROBINSON: Wholesome had the same
8 The essential planning of it, at that point in 8 issue, and they never did it.
9 time, would be done, and then we would just really 9 ATTORNEY BASS: We're thinking much more
10 be looking at adjustments within certain defined 10 clearly than they were.
11 parameters to the program, that was already 11 MEMBER MELOW: I like the project. I like the
12 approved by you. 12 walkability of it. It's close to the Metro
13 It was our sense that in order to create a 13 station, opening up the sidewalks. I think it's
14 district that was reactive as possible to market 14 good for the city. It needs to be where it needs
15 changes, creating a district where we had a 15 to be, downtown. It's close to the neighborhoods
16 governing site plan that is subject to certain 16 to get to.
17 types of modifications coming back to you as the 17 One question, do you know how many apartments
18 body that originally reviewed all the regulations 18 are going to be there and the breakup of it, one
19 that gave birth to it. 19 bedrooms, two bedrooms, three bedrooms?
20 So that was the thinking on why we did that, 20 ATTORNEY BASS: To answer your question,
21 coming back to the essential planning concepts and 21 414 units we're proposing, 228 one-bedrooms, 153
22 justifications on the plan that came through this 22 two-bedroom, 23 three-bedroom.
23 Board. 23 MEMBER MELOW: And the price range was 1500
24 And now, at your pleasure, I can have our 24 to what?
25 landscape ar~hitect talk about that or wait until 25 ATTORNEY BASS: And I forgot, 13 studios.
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2 MEMBERMELOW: Yes. 2
3 CHAIRMAN BASU: I'm going to reserve my 3
4 comments to later, because I think we need to get 4
5 going with the public hearing. Anyone who's 5
6 wishing to speak, please sign in. We'll take the 6
7 guests that are for first, names first, and then 7
8 the ones that are against, and with each, three 8
9 minutes. Please try not to repeat something that's 9
10· been mentioned, because we'll be here all night. 10
11 Now, we have a number of people that are for. 11
12 Dr. Steven Ha1egua? 12
13 ATTORNEY BASS: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, if! 13
14 can ask everybody who is here this evening in 14
15 support of the proj ect, please stand and be 15
16 recognized, and perhaps they may not feel the need 16
17 to speak. If you're here for, please stand and be 17
18 recognized. 18
19 CHAIRMAN BASU : You did your homework. 19
20 PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'm Dr. Halegua. I'm a 20
21 chiropractor in South Miami for 40 years. I've had 21
22 my practice in South Miami since 1977. I think I 22
23 know South Miami pretty well, and I bought property 23
24 in South Miami, etc., etc. 24
25 I came from New York, and when I saw South 25
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1 Miami back in the '70s, I said, wow, what a 1
2 beautiful town, a vibrant, beautiful town, and I 2
3 wanted to be there, and I opened up my practice, 3
4 been in practice ever since, and I'm still in 4
5 practice and have treated a lot of people in the 5
6 area. 6
7 Now, things have changed. Back in the day, 7
8 you couldn't find a store or get a store for rent, 8
9 because everything was full, a lot of people 9
10 walking and shopping,just a bustling area. Now, 10
11 it's pretty dead, a lot of vacancies, and the 11
12 people there are struggling. 12
13 I think what these guys are trying to do is a 13
14 very positive thing. I'm all for it. We need some 14
15 juice in the neighborhood, some life in the 15
16 neighborhood. It's dying. They want to bring life 16
17 to the area. 17
18 I think Ms. Philips, Mr. Jacobs, you're 18
19 looking at a few things that might be what you 19
20 think is right, but I think what these guys want to 20
21 do is helpful and very positive, and it will bring 21
22 South Miami back to what it is sUPP,?sed to be. 22
23 I am very, very for it. I plan to spend the 23
24 rest of my life in South Miami. I love South 24
25 Miami, and I hate to see what's happening now. 25
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Sunset Place is a disaster. It's losing
proposition. It needs to be revitalized. What
they want to do is going to bring a lot of life to
the area.
So I recommend that you vote for it, and I
think it's the right thing to do. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: Michael Miller, with the
office address of 6796 Southwest 62nd Avenue.
South Miami has lost its shine. It's no longer the
shining star that it used to be. Now it's the talk
of the town, on the wrong side.
Folks from all overused to come to the city
to get entertained and to enjoy strolling down
Sunset Drive and 73rd Street. But now when you
walk down Sunset Drive, the sad state of affairs of
South Miami smacks you right in the head. It's an
eye opener to see how many closed stores there are,
and the mall on the comer of Sunset Drive is
barely occupied, and it's really just taking up
space.
The owners of the Shops at Sunset are going to
invest hundreds of millions of dollars and bring
back some glory to the city. It's just amazing
that there's a question of saying yes to these
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people, and we need to help ourselves and them and
the City and stop with the antigrowth rhetoric that
has plagued this city for 30 years.
Just think about how long it took the City to
put in a swimming pool. We looked it up, 1967, the
City Commission right here approved a swimming
pool. It took 40 years for this swimming pool.
And think how long it took to put up the children's
clinic. Years it took, many, many years.
And think about how many years this city has
been playing around with Madison Square. That is
an embarrassment to this city and everybody who
lives and works here and who's up there and behind
it.
This is your time right now to stop
complaining and move forward with the Shops at
Sunset. It will dramatically improve the city and I
our lives. It is time to stop being afraid. You
have to stand up and be counted, and this is the
time to say yes to the Shops at Sunset. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Mr. Miller went out of turn,
but that's okay. The next person is Mike Abeassis.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: Hello. My name is Mike
Abeassis. Thank you for having me and giving us
the opportunity to stand in front of you and share
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some thoughts. 1
I'm a tenant at Sunset Place operating Game 2
Time, which is a large format entertainment center, 3
been there 7 years, almost 19 years helping build 4
GameWorks and selling it to distributors at the 5
time, and it's very near to my heart. 6
I have some things to say that we would like 7
to see continue. I'd like address some things that 8
have been answered by the landlord. Solar panels, 9
I certainly don't know how and where solar panels 10
may apply, as a landlord, we put fixtures on the 11
building, whether they're solar panels or other 12
mechanical devices. 13
We are currently in the process of waiting for 14
the State of Florida to approve Tesla solar panels. 15
Currently solar panels absorb about 22 percent of 16
available light energy. The new Tesla solar panels 17
absorb about 38 percent and take up a third of the 18
space, so as the rooftop availability gets better, 19
we expect to go to all of our landlords and use 20
that space for solar panels. So the panels, we see 21
it happening either way. It's just the way we're 22
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more data. I've been driving in and out of that 1
parking lot on Fridays, Saturdays, every day of the 2
week for 7 or 8 years now, and I've never seen more 3
than the fourth deck full. I go to the fifth or 4
sixth deck to park, and I've got all the space I 5
want. So I can't imagine if there's ever going to 6
be any need for more. Ifthere is, they did 7
something really right. 8
As far as rents increasing for tenants, I'm an 9
open-market kind of guy. I think that rents 10
increasing are positive, not negative. From being 11
in retail, I know renters pay a huge premium to be 12
in a mall, and that, ultimately, if you want a 13
great mall with a lot of traffic, it's built into 14
your rent. • 15
In this day and age, I may have cheaper rent, 16
but I spend more money driving in traffic. I 17
certainly would rather be in a more successful 18
place and pay more, and I think that's a good 19
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residents, that's a positive level in the city. I 22
can tell you, wholeheartedly, we hire locally when 23
looking for talent and trying to grow talent. We 24
take people that often start at the poverty level, 25
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and they've grown into management positions.
And so I think it's a positive thing, and I
don't think the growth is going to hurt anything in
any way, and I think it may help the income level
of people that are here.
As far as health insurance, the only thing I
can tell you is we offer health insurance, because
we're more successful and we're able to have more
income. So it's certainly a positive thing.
I'm out of time. I wish you guys all the
best. I'm all for it.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Brad Cassel is the next
person. Maybe he left. He's not here.
Okay. Jacqueline Gonzalez?
PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. I know the
night is long. I'm Jacqueline Gonzalez. I've
lived in South Miami for the last 10 years, and I
thought I would like to offer my perspective as a
resident and as an architect not related to this
project.
I usually don't come and speak on other
people's projects, but in this case, it's personal
to me, because this is my home town. One of the
key reasons we purchased the house in South Miami
is we loved the downtown and the availability of
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it. I was curious what they were doing and how
they were going to do it. This is where we would
go to every weekend with our children, and I've
watched them enjoy it from the time they were
little kids to teenagers, all the ups and downs of
downtown South Miami.
It's also been a source of sadness to me how
the Bakery Center and this giant mall were put into
this beautiful downtown, and I was so concerned
that this was going to be more of the same kind of
misguided giant project, and I've looked at it, and
I have no skin in this game, this is not my
project, but I just want to commend you and the
team for really fixing one ofthe essential
problems with that center, which is, instead of
looking inward, they're looking outward, and
they're connecting to the street.
And I can't say enough good things about that.
To me that's one of the horrible tragedies of South
Miami downtown is that they have this giant bunker
of a project that did all of the wrong things when
you have a private downtown. So I commend you 0
that.
I know change can be very scary. As an
architect, I've presented my share of big
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1 buildings, and I understand, when you love your 1 We have several owners here and the manager and
2 downtown the way I do, that a big building can be 2 president of the condo association.
3 intimidating. 3 The last thing we want to see is one of these
4 But I will say, I'm a big, big resiliency fan 4 malls that you see on 60 Minutes, the dark malls or
5 and sustainability architect, and this project is 5 dead malls, where there's homeless people and crack
6 doing the right things in that sense as well. The 6 addicts. We're 10 minutes away from an empty mall.
7 density is not on the historic fabric. It is not 7 That mall is almost empty. It's a frightening
8 overwhelming on the street. It's pushed up against 8 place, so I think we should go there.
9 US-I. And it is literally across the street from 9 You wanted to talk about affordable housing.
10 the Metrorail station. It will get all the smart 10 Well, we have 40 units of affordable housing.
11 city planning right now in the world. This is 11 I'm officially inviting you to please invest
12 common sense, and this is what we need to be doing. 12 in South Miami. I know you guys are going to
13 So I understand the scale is a jump, and I 13 survive with or without this project. But South
14 understand that that can be scary. I really do. 14 Miami is on its way down the hole, without that
15 But I really think that they've handled it very 15 mall being renovated, one way or the other. That's
16 sensitively. As a resident and an architect, I 16 going to be a hole in the wall within the next
17 feel very comfortable coming here and talking with 17 year.
18 you in support of the project. 18 Thank you very much.
19 I do share your views about sustainability. I 19 CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay. Next, Mr. Momoe?
20 think that's something that should be asked and 20 PUBLIC SPEAKER: My name is Wirth Momoe. I'm
21 offered. I have confidence in this team, because I 21 a fourth generation in Miami Dade, and more
22 know there are a lot of locals that care about what 22 importantly, I'm a 41-year native of South Miami.
23 is right to do. In Phase 2, if you can work it 23 I grew up here, got married, started my family, and
24 out, that will be a very valuable condition to this 24 I'm back living 2 blocks from where I grew up. I
25 project. 25 love South Miami, everything about it, spent a lot
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1 I want to commend the team and thank you, 1 my time in restaurants, shoe shopping, groceries,
2 because I think it will be a great addition, and I 2 gas, you name it. This is my community, my home
3 encourage you to support it. 3 town.
4 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. Tom Byrne? 4 But we have an albatross around our neck. I
5 PUBLIC SPEAKER: My name is Tom Byrne. I live 5 thought the time that you mentioned when we were
6 on 5031 Southwest 85th Street, just down the road 6 starting was really interesting, because I remember
7 here. I walked into South Miami today for coffee 7 not only the Bakery Center, but I remember the
8 with my dog. I've been a resident of South Miami 8 Wholesome Bakery.
9 for 55 of my 59 years. 9 We've had two failed attempts to try to get
10 I make my living from commercial real estate 10 this right. Doing nothing is not an option. We're
11 in South Miami. I own several properties that I've 11 never going to reach our full potential without a
12 acquired over the years, some residential to 12 revitalized Sunset shops.
13 commercial buildings, but also I own some of the 13 I heard an account about e-mails for and
14 units at Sunset Place. I did that condo conversion 14 e-mails against this. I can tell you I loosely put
15 8 or 1 ° years ago. I still own nine of those 15 out the word in my neighborhood about who wanted to
16 units. The studios, my lowest price is 875 to 16 get educated for this project. A lot of people, 40
17 1,000 a month, so those places are packed. 17 people, showed up. By the time people got educated
18 People love living at Sunset Place. The 18 and really understood the prose and cons, because
19 problem is I can't raise the rents, because nobody 19 nothing is perfect, everyone supports this project.
20 ever leaves, because once they get in there, they 20 It's really what the city needs, and it's
21 can walk to the grocery store and gym and walk 21 going to guarantee a long-term future. Thank you.
22 everywhere, and I've had the same tenants since 22 CHAIRMAN BASU: Next is Todd Legon.
23 I've done the conversion. 23 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. My name is
24 Now there are 40 total, and ofthe owners I've 24 Todd Legon. I have lived in South Miami for
25 spoken to of those 40 units, everybody is in favor. 25 approximately 30 years, and I'm here to speak in
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1 favor of the project. 1 from now or maybe two decades from now, and I
2 I don't get to get to a lot of these meetings, 2 implore you to do that.
3 so please forgive me. I don't want to be 3 CHAIRMAN BASU: Next is Joaquin Ortiz.
4 repetitive. There's a couple of things that I 4 PUBLIC SPEAKER: My name is Joaquin Ortiz.
5 heard and questions asked by all of you, that I 5 The very first restaurant I owned in South Miami
6 would like to try to address, at least from my 6 was Jake's Bar and Grill, in 2001. I opened
7 perspective. 7 Segafredo, and now I own a shop called Tea & Poets,
8 And I heard some comments from Ms. Philips and 8 right in the center of Sunset Place.
9 Mr. Jacobs and Ms. Palmer, and you had some 9 The pilar of what Tea & Poets is is about
10 concerns whether your constituency had really asked 10 community. We strive to connect to community and
11 for a project such as this, and perhaps I misread 11 to bring a sense of togetherness in our store. In
12 what you said, Ms. Philips, and that's certainly 12 a day, we have 40 to 60 of the high school,
13 not my intention. 13 college, and elementary school kids in our store,
14 What this Board is is it's a Planning Board. 14 and I see a lot of familiar faces in this room that
15 The job is not to look for what is today. The duty 15 come into our space to work, study, hang out with
16 of this Board and the burden on this Board is to 16 ' their families and friends over the weekends.
17 determine what's going to happen in the future, not 17 One of the things that I've noticed over the
18 today, not 5 years from now, but 10 years from now. 18 years, being a member of the South Miami community,
19 The City of South Miami is a ship in a 19 is a very slow decline and slowly bleeding out.
20 changing city, and it's changing every day. I'm 53 20 It's like you've got this city that wants to grow
21 years old, and when I look at how the world is 21 and wants to be successful and wants to tum a
22 rapidly changing now, it staggers my mind. If you 22 page, but you do have this fear of change. I feel
23 had told me 5 years ago that I would do the 23 it's a fear of changing of the guard, so to speak.
24 majority of my shopping on line, on my computer, I 24 I'm one of the younger entrepreneurs in this
25 would have said you're crazy. 25 city, and I look forward to the next 30 years being
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1 If you would have. told me even a year ago, 1 here. I pray to God I'll be around for the next
2 that young people who live not only in Miami, but 2 30 years, and I pray South Miami has but a
3 everywhere else in the country, that they don't 3 sustainable infrastructure to continue growing and
4 want cars, because they Uber everywhere, and they 4 make my children young entrepreneurs and not to be
5 want to have a live/work environment and walk to 5 scared ofthe change, not to worry about changing
6 their office and walk to go shopping, I would say 6 of the guard, but to take an amazing group of
7 you were crazy, because it's antithetical to the 7 individuals here who are willing to risk and go
8 American way and the suburban environment, of which 8 forward and to make the changes. I think it was
9 South Miami was originally a part of. But the 9 very well said about that it's your job to have
10 world is changing. I would urge you, the Board, to 10 vision and to see what's going to happen.
11 look to the future. 11 Let's look at the alternative, what's going to
12 I think what we can say, if you do want to 12 happen. I'm not going to renew my lease, and there
13 look to the present, we all know what we have there 13 are countless shops that they're not going to renew
14 in that shopping center. I've been here, my kids 14 their leases either. Why? Because there's no
15 are here, and my wife grew up here. It's not good. 15 money in the city. There's no people coming to the
16 It's got to be fixed. You can take your first 16 city, because they're going to all the other cities
17 hundred constituents and bring them in here, and I 17 that are in competition with South Miami.
18 bet you 90 percent of them are going to say you've 18 South Miami competes against Coral Gables.
19 got to take that thing down and start from scratch. 19 Coral Gables competes with Doral, and Doral
20 We all know that. The question is how do we 20 competes with City Center.
21 get it done, and what's the best way to do it? 21 It's amazing to me that it's just going to be
22 This is the duty of leadership. You have to look 22 that, oh, well, you know, they didn't quite do it.
23 to the forward and be the leaders, make the 23 So I'm urging you guys to have that ambition and to
24 changes, have the guts to make the decisions that 24 look at the future, my future, our children's
25 are going to change lives, not today, but a decade 25 future, in South Miami, not what was in the past,
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1 the '70s, early '80s, '90s, but 2025, 2045, and, 1 people that walk in, as does the First National
2 what's the vision? 2 Bank. They have all declined precipitously. This
3 How are we going to impact the growth of this 3 will continue if you guys don't approve this
4 city? How much money are we going to bring to the 4 project.
5 city? How stacked are we going to make South Miami 5 I don't see anything else ahead of it, and
6 for the future. Thank you very much. 6 these guys have done wonderful job of addressing
7 CHAIRMAN BASU: Next up is Jorge Freeland. 7 all the needs we have in South Miami. We need
8 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. My name is 8 people living here, working here, and we need
9 Jorge Freeland. I've lived in Miami since 1970. 9 people that play here, and we need people in the
10 When I first went to Bakery Center, it was actually 10 area who want to come to South Miami. They love
11 a bakery. You could smell the bread, and they made 11 South Miami, but they pass through South Miami to
12 it there. We've been through a lot of iterations 12 get to other shopping destinations in the city.
13 since then. 13 And they do that because they're newer. They have
14 You as a group have an opportunity to be 14 more restaurants, more stores, more everything,
15 heroes to create jobs, to create opportunities, to 15 more interesting places to walk and hang out at
16 create a tax base to really bring the city back to 16 night.
17 where we all want it to be, and I think this could 17 So we've got a wonderful opportunity here, I
18 be a historical opportunity for everybody to see 18 think, to transform South Miami into a real true
19 this change of events, that we haven't had, quite 19 destination and have a bustling Sunset Drive and
20 frankly, in South Miami, in that case. 20 73rd Street and Red Road. But the only way we can
21 But I do want to express a word of caution 21 do this is to have that development.
22 that these opportunities don't come around all the 22 And these guys, again, I think have done a
23 time, as you know, and we're at a critical 23 wonderful job of planning this out, and they've
24 inflection point, where if this opportunity is not 24 asked a lot of questions of the existing merchants,
25 seized, we may lose it, and we may lose it for 25 of, what do you want to see? What do you need?
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2 So I really hope, as you think about the 2 And also I think you guys have to applaud the
3 various things, you think about the big picture, 3 existing retailers who are still here. Some of
4 your constituents, the people who want a good place 4 whom are on life support, but most of us aren't.
5 to work. They want jobs. They want a good place 5 Most of us are doing okay. Brick and mortar retail
6 to live. 6 isn't dying. As a matter of fact, some of it is
7 We all want a vibrant and sound South Miami, 7 having a revival. We're doing wonderfully. We're
8 and I'm just confident that you guys are going to 8 never done better. There's a future for that, but
9 do the right thing. Thank you very much. 9 you have to embrace it, understand it, and welcome
10 CHAIRMAN BASU: Hank Courtney? 10 the people that want to support it.
11 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. My name i II So I really implore you guys to think about
12 Hank Courtney. I'm a merchant at the comer of Red 12 this and also think about what will happen to South
13 Road and Sunset Drive and have been for most ofm 13 Miami if you don't. Thank you.
14 life. And I have lived through two other 14 CHAIRMAN BASU: Next up, Betsy Fantis.
15 iterations of this development, as have some of the 15 PUBLIC SPEAKER: My name is Betsy Fantis, and
16 other merchants here, and most of us have survived 16 I came to --I've, actually, lived in Miami for
17 in spite of them. 17 over 30 years. I'm a business owner. And I
18 When you talk to the merchants in South Miami, 18 decided to come to South Miami 4 years ago. I have
19 everybody is excited about this new project. They 19 one more year left on my lease, and I'm not so sure
20 want to make sure that you guys approve it, because 20 I'm going to re-sign, because all I see is "for
21 if you don't, they won't re-lease. They won't 21 lease," "for lease," "for rent," and it's very
22 renew their leases. They know what the future is. 22 scary what's happening.
23 We can see it. People have gone away. 23 This project is amazing. Sign me up. I don't
24 We do travel counts in our store, the number 24 know why anybody would not go for this project.
25 of people that walk by the store, the number of 25 This city is antiquated. We need to come into the
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1 century and beyond. Thank you. 1 and perhaps 80 percent of the CRA community that
2 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. Next up is Gaby 2 supports the growth of the community. This is what
3 Guzman. No? The next up with Matt Sullivan? No? 3 this is about.
4 Amy Donner? No? Bishop Larry Jones? 4 And so, again, we want to say the development
5 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening to this planning 5 team has done an excellent job. Thank God for the
6 session. My name is Bishop Larry D. Jones. I'm 6 Staff and thank God for thinking outside the box,
7 the pastor at Faith Tabernacle, 6141 Southwest 64th 7 for bringing somebody that can help us to
8 Street, where I succeed my late father, the pastor 8 understand this particular program.
9 here for 33 112 years. 9 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you.
10 As a little boy growing up in Miami, born and 10 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Thank you, sir.
11 raised, many days we came through South Miami. 11 CHAIRMAN BASU: Mari Chad?
12 Before we entered the zone of South Miami, we 12 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. To be brief, I
13 smelled Wholesome Bakery bread. Am I right about 13 think that the main thing is clear from the
14 this? 14 community, especially the businesses, that we need
15 You knew you was in South Miami. And that 15 this, for a shot in the arm. I think the Shops is
16 aroma just gave that impact. But what Wholesome 16 potentially a great community partner, and I think
17 did, it was an economic engine for the city of 17 a that, with a tweak here and there, they could be
18 South Miami. When that left, that started to 18 getting a yes. But I love the comments about solar
19 depreciate home ownership. 19 and affordable housing, about rainwater harvesting,
20 And I'm surprised to hear some of the folks 20 and all these are opportunities that I'm sure can
21 talk about affordable housing, when we've been 21 be implemented.
22 trying to get Madison Square, over a decade, built. 22 Also I would like to --I like the idea of
23 How dare you. It took years to get a pool, and 23 having residents and businesses actively advocating
24 it's still not the size of the pool that the 24 for better transit, because the site is a major,
25 community deserves. 25 major site in out downtown to advocate for that,
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1 But you have some people sit out here in the 1 and I think we need a better voice locally in the
2 community, come to chatter to the commission, 2 305 to do that. Ours is the only main street and
3 because they want to vent, but they don't have a 3 downtown along the transit line. So I'm excited
4 vested interest in this community. 4 about that.
5 We are looking to move forward for the future, 5 Also Victor mentioned, this is a wonderful
6 and if we don't prepare this for our children and 6 opportunity to reinforce the multimodal plan. So
7 our children's children, we're defeating the 7 to the shops, I would like to say, don't forget
8 planning. We're defeating the program that God has 8 58th Avenue as a major greenway. Of all the
9 assigned us to. He has assigned every one of us a 9 various perspectives, I would like to see that
10 purpose. Our purpose is to help mankind. When you 10 treated sensitively, because the 58th Avenue
11 don't do that you've failed the purpose that God 11 neighborhood greenway is a major north/south street
12 has given you in this opportunity. 12 connecting down to South Miami park to our north.
13 So yes, I'm going that route, because we've 13 Lastly, I'm very excited about all the bike
14 all been given the measure of faith, every one of 14 commuters coming to live in our downtown, to bike
15 us, and we're going to have to go outside the box 15 the Underline, the Red Road Trail, and to be
16 sometime to make things like this particular 16 customers for all of our businesses, especially
17 program come to fruition. 17 those near to my heart, Spoke Works and Met Cycle.
18 It's long overdue. I thank God for the folks 18 Thank you.
19 coming into this opportunity, because, guess what 19 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. Last but not
20 it is? It's an opportunity. Now this opportunity 20 least, Mr. Edward?
21 has the potential that can address these things and 21 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening, Members of the
22 bring it to the forefront and make it happen. 22 Planning Board, John Edward Smith, a resident of
23 I stand here with the concerned clergy and 23 South Miami for the past 43 years, business owner
24 citizen coalition around you. You have 100 percent 24 and development counsel here in South Miami for
25 of the pastor here and the CRA that supports this 25 32 years.
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35 years ago I stood where that officer is and 1
protested the building of the Bakery Center. It 2
was too high. It overshadowed our city. Today I 3
stand here unequivocally in support of what is 4
being planned and presented to the Shops at Sunset 5
Place. I've participated in the downtown 6
charrette. I've participated in the charrette for 7
the CRA. 8
This is vital, to not only the life of our 9
business and restaurant districts, but, frankly, 10
for the life of the city itself, yes, for the life 11
of the city itself. Ifwe don't move forward with 12
this project, businesses will close, and the city 13
might as well close itself. That's how vital this 14
infusion of development is. 15
I mean, how can we tum away people who are 16
willing to put in $300 million to your community? 17
Hello? It's going to come back for the years to 18
come. 19
As someone indicated when they spoke, it's a 20
very common sense thing to happen, a masterful job 21
in the planning, opening up everything to the sky, 22
to the city, to the streets around us. It's quite 23
a design, quite a job, and you've got my vote, and 24
you know you're going to have the support of SoMi 25
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1 Magazine going forward as well. Thank you. 1
2 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. All right, now we 2
3 have people in opposition. Michael McFall? 3
4 PUBLIC SPEAKER: It looks like I might be the 4
5 only one on that list. First of all, let me say 5
6 this, this is really stupid, not cool where this is 6
7 located. It should be over there. 7
8 In the last election, anybody join in on that? 8
9 Didn't we vote on this and say no? What is this? 9
10 The same thing? It's just new packaging. And I 10
11 say that very kindly. 11
12 The second thing is, are the voters going to 12
13 vote on this? We tried to do this the first time. 13
14 I guess what we did is re-voted on it, is that 14
15 correct? And it got voted down or something 15
16 similar to this. 16
17 Some people say this will keep taxes down. 17
18 Will this project get special tax relief for like 18
19 10 years? Sometimes you guys over there in City 19
20 Hall or something give a special tax break. Has 20
21 anybody ever heard of that? Is this involved in 21
22 any of that? People are worried about taxes, and 22
23 there's tax relief, and there's no real relief 23
24 there. 24
25 And here's the thing about taxes, okay? Every 25
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time somebody buyers $10 of gasoline, they're
spending $5 in taxes. Do you know that? Have you
gone out to US-l at 5:00? There are so many cars
out there, there's gridlock. People don't seem to
mind paying the taxes. So I don't know think taxes
should be the issue.
I feel like the plan stinks. I think what we
need to do is think out of the box. Everybody can
say, oh, I don't like this. Well, how many other
people have something else to recommend? Well, I
do. It's out of the box, and maybe it's strange
and you don't like it. How about this? People
want to sell City Hall, right where I'm talking
right now. Has anybody heard about that?
CHAIRMAN BASU: Excuse me, sir. City Hall is
not on the agenda. Please address Shops at Sunset
and that specific project.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'mjust trying to have a
conversation. I'm just saying I heard that. It's
a rumor? Can I talk about a rumor?
CHAIRMAN BASU: No.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: Then I won't suggest doing a
land swap here.
CHAIRMAN BASU: You're against the project?
PUBLIC SPEAKER: You used up his time.
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CHAIRMAN BASU: He's not sticking to the
point.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: That was his time. It's not
okay.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you.
PUBLIC SPEAKER: My name is Antoinette
Fischer. Although there are some aspects of this
project that appealing, such as the opening up of
the project into the streets, I have to oppose this
project as it is presented, and that is because of
it is going way, way outside of all codes that we
have on the books now.
I did some research on line, as far as spot
zoning, and this looks like spot zoning. It smells
like spot zoning. It could be a spot zoning
situation. It could be challenged because of that.
And I also heard several months ago that there
was a lawsuit that was filed by the Department of
Community Affairs, which is a state agency, against
a prominent city in Dade County, and it was for the
very same type of situation as this, putting in
very high density right next to much, much lower
density.
It was required, in that case, to have an
administrative hearing, and there was a settlement
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1 agreement, and that settlement agreement could 1 I must say, when the presenter said about
2 apply to this case. This could be a violation of 2 magnitude, it's right, but it's overbuild. It's
3 that settlement agreement. I'm no expert on legal 3 out of context with the Hometown feel. I would
4 matters. It's just that I've done some research, 4 support it. I think it's got some good ideas, but
5 and these are some concerns that I have. 5 the height is horrible. Cut it in half.
6 I also have some other concerns that I want to 6 We have traffic congestion already, horn
7 share with you about this, and that is that this 7 honking, fender benders, scared pedestrians. It's
8 appears to be a very thinly disguised attempt to 8 not the right time. It's a fright time out there.
9 create a whole new zoning district, and this is not 9 We had to put flashing lights up so drivers could
10 at all the way this should be done. This should be 10 see that there are pedestrians waiting to cross by
11 done before you, the Planning Board and the II the bank.
12 Commission, as a new zoning district, and many 12 It's not the right height. I agree there's no
13 facets of this proposition need to be explored. 13 affordable housing, and for many, I think it's like
14 There should be needs assessment impact 14 a finger pointing to the sky.
15 studies for the surrounding area, vacancy ratio 15 There's not been one word about solar, sewage,
16 studies, and more. After all, you want the 16 safety. No one at the dais participated, as far as
17 Commission to approve of a project, but meanwhile, 17 I know, in the charrettes years ago, when I did.
18 you don't want the Commission to approve of a 18 CHAIRMAN BASU: That's not true.
19 project that may wind up as blighted as the 19 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Oh, good. The outcome showed
20 business district is now. 20 some very neat ideas, like the bricks on Deli Lane.
21 This project, if built, will become a part of 21 35 years ago, the bank recentered. I was living on
22 the cityscape for perpetuity. Do you think that an 22 83rd Street.
23 isolated ill land of extreme density fits in with the 23 It's a disgrace how the city is being
24 Hometown Plan, the character of this city, the 24 demolished. Coral Gables can do what they want
25 infrastructure of this city? 25 with regard to South Miami, because they're on the
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1 The parks level of service is met? Really? I other side of the street. Do we need to build such
2 This city is now claiming land that doesn't even 2 ugliness like that building that's across from the
3 belong to it, as parks, and I think there could be 3 precious Doc Thomas House of the Audubon Society?
4 a legal challenge to that. That would be like me 4 Greed for developmental dollars is really
5 claiming that I could use my neighbor's swimming 5 detrimental to the health, safety, and welfare of
6 pool because it abuts my property, same deal. 6 the residents and of the city. It's a different
7 This discourages urban sprawl? No way. It 7 time. People don't have cars because they want to
8 does not. The urban in-fill is a complete failure. 8 live urban. They don't have cars because they
9 This has been acknowledged by the County Commission 9 can't afford them, because the pay is so poor.
10 for years now. What we're doing with all this 10 It's not holistic with an H, as was written in
11 increased density is we're bringing people in from II the Miami magazine. It's wholistic with an W.
12 outside the state of Florida to live here. We're 12 It's wholistic, a wholly cancerous, not historical,
13 bringing in a density of population that I don't 13 growth.
14 believe is sustainable. 14 What's next with this district zoning? Are
15 And we need another workshop, to think outside 15 you going to take the corner with CVS and the
16 of the box and come up with a solution for our 16 little strip mall and the other strip mall, down to
17 business district, which we have never been able to 17 the Chevron station, and do another such building?
18 actually contribute to. 18 It's like trying to put a watermelon in an empty
19 CHAIRMAN BASU: I respect your comments. I 19 egg shell.
20 would suggest you submit in writing anything that 20 I really seriously ask you to think about the
21 you haven't been able to express here. 21 height of this whole structure. Thank you.
22 Next? 22 CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. Anyone else,
23 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Good evening. I'm 23 speakers, wishing to speak?
24 Dr. Claudia Hauri. I've lived here since I was 24 PUBLIC SPEAKER: I didn't sign in. I didn't
25 6 years old, went to Sunset Elementary. 25 sign in because I didn't know whether I was going
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1 to speak at the beginning of this meeting. 1 Thank you.
2 Somebody asked me whether I was for this project or 2 PUBLIC SPEAKER: Can I just be brief?
3 against this project, and I said I don't know. I 3 Patricia Burkhard, 7730 Southwest 63rd Avenue,
4 came here to learn about it. I went to 4 thank you for everything tonight, and it was a
5 Mr. Zyscovich's office about a year ago and saw it, 5 great presentation. I just wanted to say, when I
6 and I, you know, familiarized myself with it a 6 first heard about this project, I was really
7 little bit; but since then, I haven't heard 7 psyched. I thought awesome. And then I heard for
8 anything. 8 sure the number of stories and I crumbled. Oh, my
9 City's grow. There's no doubt it. They grow 9 God, no, that's too big. That would just be an
10 around mass transit. Clearly this is a project 10 albatross.
11 that is called for in this location. Where else, 11 I actually looked up photos of Bank of
12 what better place to put it? I am concerned about 12 America, the biggest building in Coral Gables, to
13 the scale of it. My great fear is that we end up 13 try to see what it would really look like in real
14 once this proj ect is built, that the next 14 life. But I do think the zoning is ingenious, to
15 developers don't come along and amass another piec~ 15 say, okay, it's a new designation, and you have to
16 of property, and that, maybe 25 years from now, we 16 make specific criteria to fit into that new
17 end up looking likes the area around Dadeland. 17 designation. I think that's brilliant.
18 That is of serious concern for me. IfI can 18 The more that I sit with it and I look and
19 be assured that that's not going to happen, then I 19 what's happening around our city, I think the areas
20 think it's a project worth supporting. 20 that are vital have got these big places that are
21 I think the city of South Miami is a 21 drawing people, and I really do think that to see
22 small-scale city. I was here in the '70's, and you 22 such a big thing to come at that height I think is
23 could roll a bowling ball down Sunset Drive. There 23 the future.
24 was nothing happening on Sunset Drive. I've seen 24 I would just ask all of you to guard our city
25 this city grow and both bakery centers and the 25 and ensure that this is written in such a way that
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1 Shops of Sunset be built. 1 it would protect your neighbors and protect the
2 This seems like an exciting project. I have 2 rest of your city to keep it with some kind of a
3 my reservations, but I think if it's properly 3 home town kind of feeling, a home town of life.
4 monitored, it can be a success. 4 Thank you.
5 I do have one concern. It was mentioned that 5 CHAIRMAN BASU: Anyone else? Rebuttal?
6 all the things that are being asked for, it's a bit 6 ATTORNEY BASS: Let me just summarize, ifI
7 like Disney, in that, they want to have total 7 may. You have multiple requests before you. The
8 control as to how it's being monitored and 8 last speaker talked about writing this in such a
9 assessed, and I have a concern about that. 9 way that we would protect the city, that this type
10 The other thing is, and this is a tiny thing, 10 of development would you be locked at this
11 why are the parking spaces made 8-foot-6, instead 11 location.
12 of 9? I went through the '80s, when Coral Gables 12 I believe when you look at the district
13 had compact car space that was 8-foot-9, the city 13 regulations and the requirements of the district
14 of Miami was 8-foot-6, and Dade County was 14 regulations, the way that they were drafted, I can
15 8-foot-7. Why are these spaces made so small? 15 give you every assurance that this development will
16 Cars aren't getting smaller. That's a tiny detail. 16 be contained within the boundaries ofthe district,
17 When they talk about the increased number of 17 as drawn in the Comprehensive Plan and in the newly
18 parking spaces, it's because the spaces are 18 created district regulations.
19 smaller. 19 That was the concern for us from the
20 I have a lot of questions about this. I 20 beginning. We anticipated that, and we will fight
21 think, on the whole, it's worth supporting. But 21 that in the draft. Our primary partner, Federal
22 just make sure we have proper control, and this 22 Realty, is deeply committed to sustainability, and
23 doesn't become the beginning of turning South Miami 23 we'll be back before you and we'll be embracing
24 into another Dadeland. My name is Christopher Cook 24 this project's commitments to sustainability, and
25 Yarborough, and I've been a resident since 1982. 25 we'll present each and every one of those various
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projects. 1
When we take a step back and we look at what 2
you heard tonight, we think about the evidence, it 3
was, ultimately, our duty to evaluate that. We 4
have competent and substantial evidence in support 5
of the applications that have presented to you this 6
evening. That competent and substantial evidence 7
includes the recommendations of approval of your 8
professional staff. It also includes the testimony 9
from Mr. Bernard Zyscovich, the professional 10
architect. 11
We talked about the Hometown. You had the 12
founding father of the Hometown, Victor Dover, a 13
preeminent architect with expertise, local 14
expertise, and Mr. Dover testified to you that this 15
worked within the Hometown and would be positive 16
for it. 17
You heard competent and evidence from 18
Mr. Plummer, that this meets all level of service 19
from a transportation perspective, and that 20
testimony was corroborated by your City's outside 21
reviewers. 22
When you look at the positions opposed, what 23
you did not hear was any competent --you heard 24
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Members, and what I would like to do is, you have
your thoughts all gathered, so you can go one by
one, just go through it and give us your thinking,
and then we'll take each item.
MEMBER PHILIPS: I have a question, really
sort of a technical question about all these things
that are going to change our maps and our
guidelines and all of like that.
These are regulations that they've been
written, are written specifically for this project,
but if that becomes the zoning, that means that
anybody else that were to build on that property,
in some future time, would then be governed by
these particular numbers when they're filled in,
right, these particular specifics?
CHAIRMAN BASU: Right.
MEMBER PHILIPS: We're making these laws
something that's going to cover other people
further on down.
CHAIRMAN BASU: That's correct. Two things
one is the legislative part of the process, comp
plan amendment, text and map, zoning amendment,
text and map. Those are legislative. Those apply
whoever it applies to.
MEMBER PHILIPS: So if, for instance, they
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not entitled to the same evidentiary weight as
evidence from people with training from the
specific disciplines before you.
1 took a big chunk of property somewhere else, if
In close, Mr. Chairman, you have an
overwhelming amount of credible, relevant,
competent, substantial evidence in support of this
application, and you have zero competent evidence
relevant to the technical matters that are before
you.
You have opinions, but those opinions,
unfortunately, are not entitled to the same weight
of the expert opinions that are before you on the
technical matters presented. We would ask that you
recommend approval on each and every one of our six
applications.
I thank you again for your patience, the
opportunity to present at this special hearing and
for the professionalism with which you conducted
this meeting. And we're here for any questions you
might have.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Thank you. Are you ready?
Let's take a bathroom break.
(A recess was taken.)
CHAIRMAN BASU: Next thing we're going to do
is have discussion between the Planning Board
2 there were one, they could ask to have that be
3 rezoned to match this, and is it big enough and
4 close enough to the Metro --
5 CHAIRMAN BASU: 1300 feet, I think, something
6 like that. But yes, the zoning code applies to
7 anyone that can come forward and meet those
8 criteria, can apply.
9 MEMBER PHILIPS: And I know that if we were to
10 approve this with conditions, one of the
11 conditions, which is on page 18, all the off-site
12 improvements were part of No. 4, under general
13 conditions, it talks about the certificate of
14 occupancy for Phase 2, but doesn't-Phase 1 have to
15 have a certificate of occupancy?
16 CHAIRMAN BASU: Certificate of occupancy,
17 you're talking about the new buildings?
18 MEMBER PHILIPS: Yeah, Phase 2.
19 CHAIRMAN BASU: The existing buildings have a
20 CC, a certificate of completion.
21 MEMBER PHILIPS: Oh, okay, so that's not
22 necessarily mentioned in any of this, okay.
23 And I think there was another question that I
24 didn't understand, which is not my opinion about
25 the whole thing, but it was just a technicality
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1 that I wanted clarification on. 1 CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay.
2 It says on the traffic, on page 20, No. 20, 2 MEMBER ALICEA: I really like the project as
3 that the applicant will submit a 58th A venue 3 well.
4 traffic assessment on an annual basis for a period 4 Just following up on the zoning district
5 of 5 years. For what? I mean, studying the 5 versus site plan line of questioning, the first
6 traffic, what's the point? Why is that a 6 item is the new zoning district for the parcel. It
7 condition? Jane? 7 allows heights up to 195. And I know the rationale
8 DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: We do have our traffic 8 and the design is for it to be close to US-I. But
9 engineer in the audience, but I suspect he'll need 9 there's nothing really impeding for, say, the
10 the data to formulate for us any future 10 project doesn't happen, for whatever reason, and a
11 improvements to that area. 11 new owner comes in, for a new design, to
12 MEMBER PHILIPS: So my thoughts are I think 12 potentially have up to 195 on that Sunset Drive or
13 this is a wonderful project. I like the looks of 13 anywhere else on the parcel, and I'm just curious
14 it. I like the fact that the very tall building is 14 what the concerns are, because we are selling the
15 offin a comer, where no one is going to see it, 15 certain plan to the community.
16 except from Winn-Dixie or from the train station. 16 And to the last commenter's kind of point, the
17 I like the fact it reminds me of the Flat Iron 17 rationale make sense for the design as it is. I
18 Building, from that particular aspect. 18 think it's very appealing. There's diagrams
19 I wonder how often the people are going to use 19 helpful about the height level, that you didn't
20 the interior driveway as a passthrough and whether 20 show that. That made a lot of sense to me, when
21 that's going to maybe be a mess. But, basically, I 21 you jump the numbers from 50 to 195, when you read
22 like the whole schmear. 22 the narrative, but when you see the visual, it
23 CHAIRMAN BASU: Who wants to go next? Are you 23 makes a lot more sense.
24 ready? 24 But what's there to stop somebody else under
25 MEMBER JACOBS: No. 25 the new zoning district? Because you're bound by
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1 CHAIRMAN BASU: Are you ready? 1 the approved site plan now.
2 MEMBER MELOW: Yeah. As I said before, I like 2 ATTORNEY BASS: Correct.
3 it. I like the walkability. I also like that the 3 MEMBER ALICEA: But this situation has
4 building, the tall part of the building, is towards 4 happened, where there was, you know, a different
5 US-l and towards the Metrorail. 5 plan, and nOw there's a new developer, and they
6 The area needs to be revitalized. You know, 6 have different ideas. You don't know what future
7 we've had merchants and people with shops there all 7 brings.
8 asking for it. We've had someone from the CRA, 8 ATTORNEY BASS: I'm going to answer the
9 that also is asking for it. 9 question surgically. The DS district regulations
10 I think it was a great presentation, and I'm 10 have two different height zones. One height is ,
11 for it. 11 called the village zone, on Sunset. That has a
12 MEMBER ROBINSON: I think the people have 12 70-foot height. The taller buildings are located
13 spoken. I think the majority of people in South 13 in a separate zone, which is called the gateway
14 Miami want it. I think it will help the shops. I 14 zone.
15 think it help the economy in South Miami. I think 15 MEMBER ALICEA: I remember reading that.
16 this could be our crown jewel. 16 ATTORNEY BASS: So your hypothetical would
17 I think it's great that South Miami will now 17 violate the district regulations, because you could
18 it's own hotel. If you have a guest, they have to i8 not bring that much height to Sunset.
19 go to, you know, Pinecrest to stay or Coral Gables 19 MEMBER ALICEA: Thank you for the
20 or Coconut Grove. They can't stay in South Miami. 20 clarification.
21 We need a nice hotel. And I think it's nice that 21 CHAIRMAN BASU: Ms. Palmer?
22 we get a new movie theater out of it. 22 MEMBER PALMER: First of all, the presentation
23 I mean, everything about this project I think 23 was very comprehensive, and it helped me a lot to
24 is really great. And I'm very happy that they're 24 cover some of the areas that were not clear.
25 willing to do it for us. 25 However, I still struggle with that height.
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1 I love the project. I am aware that Sunset 1 But we are not closing any of the streets or
2 Place is dying. I don't think it's only the rent 2 eliminating any lanes.
3 alone. I think there is more to it. Now, I 3 MEMBER PALMER: The other question is, the
4 noticed what was said, it wasn't mentioned anywhere 4 CRA, was there anything in your plan, that work
5 here, is, I think it was the commission or the 5 comes up to you and brought to your attention?
6 manager, without an idea, that there's going to be 6 Because I know, earlier on, the first development,
7 a special taxation for this proj ect or the proj ect. 7 they had some benefits, and I wanted to know where
8 Are there going to be --8 you were on this matter?
9 ATTORNEY BASS: To answer the question, we're 9 ATTORNEY BASS: I'm unable to speak on behalf
10 not seeking any type of tax relief. 10 of the CRA. I know that there are members here,
11 MEMBER PALMER: So here are the areas I think 11 from the CRA, supporting this, but I would not be
12 can be strengthened. I always say downtown is 12 prepared to speak for them.
13 downtown. Downtown should really have the larger 13 MEMBER PALMER: Thank you. One last thing, I
14 buildings of business and everything, because I 14 notice, I was a little curious about the
15 wouldn't want to have them closer to my place of 15 ordinances, and I notice each one interrelates.
16 living, looking like that. I always think that 16 CHAIRMAN BASU: They're all interrelated.
17 downtown should always get the development. 17 We're making the recommendation, so, in fact, when
18 However, I struggle with this one a lot 18 it goes to admission, if the first two items aren't
19 because of height. Throughout the project, I paid 19 asked, then nothing goes forward.
20 attention, and even during the break, I had to seek 20 But here, you know, we're just making a
21 some more information as to where, you know, which 21 recommendation and our observation and suggestions
22 comer, location, location, location. So I really 22 for the Commission.
23 struggle with it. 23 MEMBER JACOBS: I would like to ask
24 Another thing I struggle with is the special 24 Ms. Tompkins, what projects are coming before the
25 zoning, because I would hate to know that, in the 25 City, works and progress that will have a
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1 future, we have to have a similar situation, as it 1 cumulative effect in relation to this project?
2 was discussed or cleared up, that once business is 2 DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: I can tell you, we have
3 being established, can someone meet the criteria of 3 two applications pending. One is for a 32-unit
4 what you have? The City of South Miami cannot deny 4 townhome project, and another is another mixed-use
5 that. 5 building, restaurant and retail on the ground
6 ATTORNEY BASS: That's not entirely accurate, 6 floor, and I believe it is 202 residential units
7 Commissioner Palmer. You would still need to come 7 above that.
8 in and have a site plan approved, and the site plan 8 MEMBER JACOBS: Is that in the same downtown
9 would be a special commitment to design 9 district?
10 architecture setbacks and the like. And so the 10 DIRECTOR TOMPKINS: No. It's 6075 Sunset,
11 Commission would retain its authority, as it always 11 essentially across the street.
12 has, to grant zoning or not grant zoning, to 12 MEMBER JACOBS: Well, I'm concerned about the
13 approve a site plan or to not approve a site plan. 13 cumulative effect of the development that's adding
14 So there are protections that are embedded in 14 on to this and the effective management of traffic
15 the district regulations, as they've been drawn. 15 and development on public facilities and services.
16 MEMBER PALMER: As far as the street, are 16 How would the --is the City going to provide
17 there plans? 17 garbage pickup for you, or is it private?
18 ATTORNEY BASS: There are no plans to narrow 18 ATTORNEY BASS: It's private, sir.
19 the streets, and there are no plans to eliminate 19 MEMBER JACOBS: Another thing is that when you
20 lanes on the streets or close the streets. 20 took it over, it had 93 percent retail occupancy.
21 We do hope, and we have Victor on board, to 21 Is that correct?
22 improve the functionality of the streets and the 22 CHAIRMAN BASU: I don't think that place ever
23 safety of the pedestrian/bicycle experience. That 23 had 92 percent occupancy.
24 requires coordination with a lot of different 24 ATTORNEY BASS: I don't have the specific
25 agencies. 25 answer, but speaking to my ownership, they, to
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I quote, it was never that high. 1 successful, the community has to be part of it.
2 MEMBER JACOBS: That's what it said in the 2 The community has to be a part of the project.
3 paper, and that's what your numbers were based on. 3 And there are certain things that make it
4 That's what the traffic was based on. 4 happen. One is it's design. Obviously, you
5 ATTORNEY BASS: Correct, correct. The 5 understand that. The height, scale, and density,
6 methodology and the models for the traffic assumed 6 they all have to have some context.
7 a far more aspirational occupancy than we ever 7 And I think one of the things that I would
8 achieved. We did that so that our numbers would be 8 really like you all to do before you go to the
9 conservative. They were based, these projected 9 Commission is, where does that 195 feet come from;
10 studies bumped those up, as if we were 95 percent 10 Is it because you wanted to build this other
11 occupied. 11 multistory building, and that's what it happens to
12 MEMBER JACOBS: No, what I read was that when 12 be? Is there a sequence of things that led you to
13 you bought it, it was at 93 percent retail 13 believe that 195 feet is the right height for that
14 occupancy, and because they were office rentals 14 location? You don't need 195 to do the density or
15 that were unoccupied, it was 80 percent for the 15 the units you need.
16 whole development. 16 So I think there needs to be a little bit more
17 CHAIRMAN BASU: Are you're talking about a 17 substance behind that or support, in case the plan
18 newspaper? 18 changes. Again, I'm not opposed to the density,
19 MEMBER JACOBS: It was a quote from one of the 19 but the density can be achieved without having to
20 officials of Grass River. 20 go 190 feet.
21 ATTORNEY BASS: I don't know the source, and I 21 But, again, I'm not opposed to the height
22 can't respond to that. 22 even, but I need to have a little bit more
23 MEMBER JACOBS: I'm concerned about the huge 23 understanding of where you come from and how you
24 disparity of the size of the building. That would 24 get to that.
25 be my main concern, the impact. 25 Public spaces, you all have spoken to public
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1 CHAIRMAN BASU: All right. I think the scope 1 spaces a lot, but I still feel that a lot of things
2 of the project, I don't know if you mentioned that 2 can happen. The connectivity, the public space,
3 before, it was a little, for a moment --we're 3 there's hardly anything showing the connectivity of
4 talking about a parks level decision to a number 4 the community with the transit. I know you talked
5 that we can actually inquire put in there, shrubs 5 about it, but it doesn't show it. I mean, you
6 and things like that. It's just too many things 6 don't even have a pedestrian crossing-way, across
7 and too many details to absorb, parking stall 7 US-I, for the transit. It's as simple as that.
8 sizes, number of trees, that we're talking about. 8 So the connectivity, public spaces are not
9 So that's kind of a little bit overwhelming, 9 spaces that are left over between buildings. They
10 and it's just not, you know, scaled to the project, 10 have to be designed and created, and then the
11 to the community, and doesn't allow people to 11 buildings can help give it some form.
12 really have an oral evaluation of it. 12 So public spaces, I just think public spaces
13 Again, my comments are not --and don't take 13 are one of the most important things for the
14 it as a negative sense, because I'm supporting of 14 community to become part of this project. By being
15 the project, but I want to make sure that we can 15 there, enjoying the facilities, by enjoying an
16 tweak some of the things that I see can be tweaked, 16 afternoon out in the air, a farmers market, an art
17 to make it better. 17 festival, whatever, a concert, without having to go
18 I think integration has been a big issue in 18 spend money at the shops, but just to enjoy the
19 the last two go-rounds, integration of the project 19 facility.
20 to the community, and that has been some ofthe 20 That's one way to integrate the community and
21 biggest problems, along with other problems, why 21 get the community engaged with the project, and I
22 these projects fail. 22 think that's very important. So just take that
23 And, obviously, we have different opinions on 23 into consideration and see what you can do. I do
24 height and density and all that, but all of us 24 definitely like to see public spaces and how to get
25 agree that, for a project of this magnitude, to be 25 out into the connectivity and how it connects with
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1 the community. 1 feet. I thought it was 24 feet was the standard,
2 CRA, I think, you know, we have to have some 2 really. But I don't think that standard is going
3 discussion about how this project reaches the goals 3 to work. And that, to me, is a problem.
4 and objectives of CRA. It is a big part of CRA. I 4 The traffic study, I understand that, you
5 know the answer is going to be part of the tip 5 know, everything is meets the concurrency. You
6 funding and the jobs, but I think there is some 6 cannot say that we keep putting more traffic and
7 acknowledgment that this is part of CRA, and we 7 it's not going to impact. I think it will be wise
8 have to acknowledge that and see how we can reach 8 for us to look at some of the intersections and
9 out to the CRA's objectives and how we can meet 9 some of the sections and see what improvements
10 that. So I think that, to me, is very, very 10 could alleviate some of the traffic issues. Again,
11 important. 11 it might not be in concurrency. It might be that
12 Affordable housing, I know it's fashionable to 12 you can build it, and there's never going to be a
13 talk about affordable housing, because no one wants 13 fail.
14 to do it, because no one wants it anywhere. But I 14 So I would definitely suggest that you look at
15 think here's an opportunity for a city such as 15 smell offsite improvements to make the project a
16 South Miami that's always talking about affordable 16 little bit more plausible, and also look at things
17 housing, affordable housing, affordable housing. 17 like having a Zip Car, a car sharing housed in the
18 But here are 414 units. Why are not some of 18 project, so that pedestrians can utilize them
19 the units set aside for workforce housing? I'm not 19 readily. So there are other ways of minimizing or
20 talking about low income, but workforce housing; 20 reducing, really, the traffic.
21 which is, I think, 80 percent median, 120 percent 21 So 17 stories, the entryway, gateway, I think
22 median. 22 it obviously works very well. I think someone
23 Why don't we have a covenant that requires 23 mentioned Flat Iron; which, I would have liked to
24 that 10 percent of the units, 40 units, is set 24 have seen a Flat Iron type of architecture. I
25 aside for workforce housing? So that's something 25 don't know if that's the gateway for South Miami.
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1 that I think. 1 Maybe it's a different thing. It's, again, it's
2 In terms of the zoning code itself, I do have 2 just an observation, that I just don't think that
3 an issue with the reduction of the landscape code 3 the balconies, 17 stories of balconies for the
4 requirements. I would really like you to take a 4 hotel, is the gateway for South Miami.
5 look at it a little bit more carefully, the 5 Red Road, we've heard this argument before.
6 landscape architect. I see I wrote "carefully" on 6 We have windows and doors and everything, and all
7 that. I see that we have palms. You're allowing 7 the stores will open out that way, and that's how
8 50 percent. We need more shade trees than palms. 8 plans were presented, but it's still that those
9 So the code right now is 30 percent palms, with 9 stores will have that type of face. What happens
10 extending to 50 percent. I don't think that is a 10 when you're inside?
11 good idea. II MR. ZYSCOVICH: In the retail plan right now,
12 The shrubs, the number of shrubs requires a 12 which is not yet completed, there are some stores
13 ten, and now you're bringing it down to three. I 13 that can face out, towards Red Road, like currently
14 mean, these are petty stuff. I mean, you're trying 14 exists, and also toward the Banyan Court, so what
15 to do a class project. Don't nickel-and-dime it 15 we're looking at are end caps, that, actually, are
16 with trees and shrubs. Those are things that make 16 the full store that wraps in the San Remo Plaza,
17 the space. 17 which I would like to address also, when we have
18 So parking standards, I think if you go to any 18 the opportunity, and also the fact that we have
19 parking garages, the trend is bigger cars, SUVs, 19 smaller stores along Red Road, in the arcade, that
20 you can't park in those. Go to that parking garage 20 we could have that don't necessarily go all the way
21 at the Metrorail South Miami. Every other space is 21 to Red Road.
22 unusable because people straddle over lines. I 22 CHAIRMAN BASU: Otherwise, the stores that are
23 think 9 feet is --and then the aisle is 40 feet 23 through and through, they basically close out the
24 for two-way traffic? That doesn't work. 24 Red Road entrance, and, you know, we've got white
25 So right now I think Coral Gables requires 23 25 paper pasted on the plants.
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18 that we accept Request No. 1. 18
19 ATTORNEY PEPE: I think what you need to do is 19
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21 at a time. I didn't hear anyone making a motion to 21
22 leave it on the table. You were making a motion to 22
23 discuss doing something with No. 1. 23
24 CHAIRMAN BASU: We went through all the items. 24
25 ATTORNEY PEPE: I know you did. So they're 25
all off the table right now. So what I'm saying
is, you need to put th'em all back on the table and
then take them off one at a time, in order to vote
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things again?
A ITORNEY PEPE: You don't have to read them.
You can just leave all the items --
MEMBER MELOW: Make a motion to lay all the
items back on the table?
AITORNEYPEPE: Yes.
MEMBER MELOW: Can I make a motion to lay all
the items back on the table?
MEMBER PALMER: I second it.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Let's take one at a time. So
the motion is put everything back on the table,
even though we never took it off?
A ITORNEY PEPE: No, you never took them out,
but you lay them all on the table at this point.
CHAIRMAN BASU: All right. You seconded it.
All in favor say aye.
ALL MEMBERS: Aye.
MEMBER PALMER: I make a motion to reduce the
height.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay. Request No.1 is the
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ATTORNEY PEPE: So now you're ready to take
that one off of the table, and you make a motion to
take Item 1 off the table.
MEMBER PHILIPS: Why?
CHAIRMAN BASU: He's the City Attorney. What
are we taking off the table now?
ATTORNEY PEPE: If you want to address Item
No.1, you have to take it off the table.
MEMBER MELOW: Why not leave them all off
table? He's going to vote on it.
ATTORNEY PEPE: Because you have to address
them one at a time. You can't address them all
together.
MEMBER ROBINSON: Okay, so you're saying I
should make a motion that we take Item 1 off the
table and vote on it?
ATTORNEYPEPE: Yes.
MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we take
Item No.1 off of the table, and we vote on it.
MEMBER PHILIPS: I second that.
CHAIRMAN BASU: So Item No.1.
MEMBER PHILIPS: Wait. We took it off the
table, and now we're voting to appr~ve it?
ATTORNEY PEPE: No. You're voting to take it
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CHAIRMANBASU: ItemNo.PB-17-021? 10
MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion on Item 1. 11
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MEMBER PHILIPS: Along with the conditions 16
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MEMBER ROBINSON: Yes. 18
MEMBER PHILIPS: Okay. I'll second that. 19
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MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we --3
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MEMBER ROBINSON: I second. 12
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MEMBER ROBINSON: She hasn't told us what it 15
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MEMBER PALMER: I am making a motion to reduce 17
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and putting it on the table?
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amendment, for the thing that we voted on the first
time. So with that?
MEMBER PHILIPS: Yes, I approve.
MEMBER JACOBS: I vote no.
MEMBER PALMER: No.
MEMBERMELOW: Yes.
MEMBER ROBINSON: Yes.
MEMBER ALICEA: Yes.
CHAIRMANBASU: Yes.
Okay, the zoning, I move the zoning PB-17 -023,
with certain modifications, which the consideration
of the landscape code and parking standard to be
what we have right now with the zoning code.
ATTORNEY PEPE: So you're moving to take
PB-17 -023 off the table?
CHAIRMAN BASU: Yes.
MEMBER ROBINSON: And make the following--
ATTORNEY PEPE: No, vote to take it off the
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MEMBER ALICEA: Second the motion.
ATTORNEY PEPE: All in favor?
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condition that applicant review the landscape
code --and let me ask you this. Miami-Dade Count)
is the landscape code, and you cannot go below that
threshold, and I think some of these things are
below that threshold. Miami-Dade County requires
30 percent palms or allows 30 percent. Miami-Dade
County requires standards for every tree, so you
can't go below those thresholds.
I want to see if we can stick to our landscape
code and parking standards, so with those two
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ATTORNEY BASS: If! may, Mr. Chair. And I
apologize, there was a pending question from
Commissioner Alicea on the landscaping, and I'm
afraid We're heading down a path now of a
misunderstanding of what we're actually proposing,
given what's required and on the site, and if we
could just take a minute to explain that to you, I
think you will see it's exceeding what was
required.
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backward, but rather to bring us forward, and I
think if our landscape expert explained to you what
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I affect your position as it relates to the 1 we're calculating is about 28,000 square feet, as
2 landscaping, because I think, as related on the 2 opposed to the 11,000 square feet that we currently
3 table, it's a bit misleading, because it assumes 3 have.
4 that the site is vacant, and we're starting from 4 In terms of the shrubs, because of urban
5 scratch. 5 condition of our proposal, we feel that trying to
6 So if the Chair would indulge a minute from 6 shoehorn, if you will, too many shrubs into this
7 our landscaper, I think that would clarify and make 7 site is not an appropriate direction.
8 the recommendation to the Commission that much 8 One of the things we've tried to do is design
9 clearer. 9 this the right way first and then back out of it,
10 CHAIRMAN BASU: All right. 10 to a certain degree, to the code requirements. And
11 MR. KRIPLEN: Good evening, Members ofthe 11 that's how we've ended up with the information we
12 Board. My name is Marsh C. Kriplen, Landscape 12 have and the numbers that we have.
13 Architects, LAND, 2610 North Miami Avenue, Miami, 13 MEMBER PHILIPS: Can I ask a question, sir?
14 Florida. 14 MR. KRIPLEN: Yes.
15 I made a couple of boards, just to make this 15 MEMBER PHILIPS: Why couldn't we write the
16 easier for you, so give me just a second. 16 code according to what Dade County requires and
17 So what we have is a comp~rative analysis of 17 give them a waiver of that particular thing or
18 the existing condition, including the open space, 18 whatever you call it? If this governs us, some day
19 and our proposed design also, including the 19 there may be a blank site, to which this DS
20 opposing space. Also there's two tables that show 20 applies, and then you would want to ha,:e the proper
21 proposed canopy, site canopy, site palms, as well 21 trees, because they're not keeping the structure.
22 as a table there that's indicating the existing 22 So why not make it right according to the way Dade
23 canopies and site palms, and the expected 23 County requires?
24 square-foot shade coverage. 24 ATTORNEY PEPE: Let me say this. If you're
25 That's really the key, because what is 25 modifying your tree ordinance, it has to be
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1 currently on site provides around 11,000 square 1 approved by Dade County. Once this is modified, it
2 foot of canopy shade. That's both the canopy trees 2 has to --well, actually, this proposal needs to go
3 and the palm trees. Currently on site, we have a 3 to Dade County and get Dade County's approval,
4 total of 17 canopy trees and 69 palm trees. 4 because if Dade County doesn't approve it, change
5 Ifwe were to meet code today, on that site, 5 doesn't have any effect, because Dade County's
6 we would need 213 trees. That's the factor that 6 ordinance applies.
7 you get when you do the calculations based on 22 7 CHAIRMAN BASU: I think what she's asking for
8 trees per acre. 8 is reasonable.
9 That just said, that assumes, generally, that 9 ATTORNEY PEPE: I'm not suggesting it is or
10 you're starting with a clean slate and a clean 10 isn't. I'm just saying, no matter what the City of
11 site. A lot of the codes are written in a matter 11 South Miami does, if it is less than the
12 that makes it very difficult, when you're doing 12 requirements of Dade County, Dade County's
13 renovation work and you're keeping a fair amount of 13 ordinance applies. South Miami can be more
14 the existing structures on a property, to ever meet .14 restrictive in its ordinance, but cannot be less
15 your code requirements, simply because of the 15 restrictive than Miami-Dade County's standing
16 number of trees per acre is offset by whatever 16 ordinance.
17 structures remain. 17 MEMBER PALMER: I have a question. When you
18 For example, on our property the whole parking 18 remove an item and you put it back on the table, a
19 garage takes up a substantial amount of square 19 motion is made, it's followed by the amendment,
20 footage, that on a new property could be 20 with the same person?
21 reallocated or reconfigured to provide us more 21 ATTORNEY PEPE: No, it doesn't have to be the
22 opportunities for landscaping and trees. 22 same person. Anybody can take it off the table.
23 So, in your proposal, while it has fewer trees 23 Say motion, I move, and then second it, you vote
24 per acre, what we end up with, really, is a 24 for it, it's now on the table, and now you can
25 substantially more dense canopy, and the shade 25 amend it, or you can vote on it as is.
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the City's ordinance, has to agree with the 14
County's or be more restrictive than the County's, 15
but we cannot be less restrictive than the County. 16
So we have to change this as currently 17
written, to match the County and pass that as our 18
law for South Miami, and then, do we have the 19
right, Mr. Pepe, to grant them a --20
ATTORNEY PEPE: --variance? 21
MEMBER PHILIPS: --a variance of the rule, 22
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ATTORNEY PEPE: You can't grant them a 24
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County's tree ordinance requires that they have 20
trees per acre. You can't give them a waiver of
that, without Dade County giving a waiver ofthat.
MEMBER PHILIPS: So then would we make th(
rule to match Dade County, and then they have to go
to Dade County and ask for a waiver?
ATTORNEY PEPE: It may be, and I haven't
checked it, but it may be that our tree ordinance
is more restrictive in this area than Dade County.
So maybe Mr. Bass or his landscape architect can
address that, ifhe has compared the two.
So it's possible, in this particular area,
that South Miami is more restrictive than Dade
County, and so you can reduce those restrictions,
but not less than what Dade County has provided.
ATTORNEY BASS: To get us home before
tomorrow, Mr. Chair, we would agree to a
modification to the Dade County standards, if
applicable. I'm not 100 percent where that gets
us. I'm trying to work with you on this. We'll go
back and take stock and see what that looks and
feels like, and if we have to, we'll revisit this
with the Commission or the County, and we'll do·
that at that time.
CHAIRMAN BASU: I'll make it simple. Right
now it's 50 percent native trees required, and
you're saying 35 percent native trees. That has
nothing to do with the design, nothing to do with
anything. You're just reducing the native tree
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MEMBER ALICEA: What are you talking about?
The native trees?
MR. KRIPLEN: The native tree requirement,
we're attempting to transplant and maintain a fair
amount of the existing palms on the site, and those
palms are not natives, and because of the
restrictions in the open space area, we had to work
with it, and the way that our codes were coming
out, keeping those trees has driven down our
ability, by space, to provide additional balance
there. Ifwe get rid ofthose palms, we can
certainly add more native trees.
CHAIRMAN BASU: So I guess, if applicable,
we'll just go with that, the wording. So the
landscape code, as applicable to the Miami-Dade
County code, as applicable.
And the park, I think we need to stick to our
standard 20-4.4 as it is now. All right? Those
are the two conditions.
MEMBER ROBINSON: So you're making the motion
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3 CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay. All in favor.
4 ALL MEMBERS: Aye.
5 MEMBER ROBINSON: I make the motion that we
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7 ATTORNEY PEPE: You voted on the. amendment.
8 Now you have to vote on the item as a whole.
9 MEMBER ROBINSON: I thought we just did?
10 CHAIRMAN BASU: No. Okay, item as a whole.
11 MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we
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14 CHAIRMAN BASU: With amendment, okay. Second?
15 MEMBER ALICEA: Second.
16 CHAIRMAN BASU: All in favor?
17 ALL MEMBERS: Aye.
18 MEMBER PHILIPS: Ask for negatives, just to be
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20 CHAIRMAN BASU: Anyone opposed? No one.
21 MEMBER PHILIPS: No one opposed, okay.
22 MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion to take it
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24 MEMBER PHILIPS: I second that.
25 ATTORNEYPEPE: And that's PB-17-024.
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2 CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay, just the zoning map,
3 changing the map.
4 MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we
5 accept No.4 as is.
6 MEMBER JACOBS: Second.
7 CHAIRMAN BASU: All in favor?
8 MEMBERS: Aye.
9 MEMBER JACOBS: No.
10 CHAIRMAN BASU: One no, okay.
11 MEMBER ROBINSON: Number 5, I make the motion
12 to take it off the table. PB-17-025.
13 MEMBER PHILIPS: I second that.
14 CHAIRMAN BASU: All in favor?
15 MEMBERS: Aye.
16 MEMBER JACOBS: No.
17 CHAIRMAN BASU: Any opposed?
18 MEMBER JACOBS: Yes, one no.
19 CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay. I make a motion we
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21 MEMBER PHILIPS: I second that.
22 CHAIRMAN BASU: It's seconded. All in favor?
23 MEMBERS: Aye.
24 MEMBER JACOBS: Nay.
25 CHAIRMAN BASU: So one is opposed. No.6?
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MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we take
Request No.6 off the table.
MEMBER PHILIPS: That's PB-17 -026.
MEMBER ALICEA: I second that.
CHAIRMAN BASU: All in favor?
ALL MEMBERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Okay. Motion to approve?
MEMBER ROBINSON: This is the approving
request by the Shops at Sunset Fee Owner for site
plan approval. So we're basically just approving
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MEMBER PHILIPS: Okay. This is the one that's
not only site plan approval, but we have to with
the conditions as set forth by Staff.
MEMBER ROBINSON: Yes.
MEMBER PHILIPS: I will second that, so we
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MEMBER PHILIPS: No. This is just No.6.
MEMBER ALICEA: As long as it's compatible
with 17-023.
MEMBER ROBINSON: All those in favor? You
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MEMBER PHILIPS: I seconded it.
MEMBER ROBINSON: I'm accepting.
CHAIRMAN BASU: All in favor for the amended
motion?
MEMBERS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN BASU: Any opposed?
MEMBER JACOBS: Yes. No.
CHAIRMAN BASU: We have one no.
MEMBER ROBINSON: Now we vote for it as it is
now?
ATTORNEYPEPE: Yes.
MEMBER ROBINSON: I make a motion that we
accept this motion, with the contingencies that we
placed on it, as is.
MEMBER PALMER: I make the motion that
Mr. Basu be the leader of this group.
MEMBER PHILIPS: I second it.
CHAIRMAN BASU: We've got to wrap this up.
Everybody vote individually.
MEMBER ROBINSON: Yes.
MEMBER ALICEA: Yes.
MEMBER PALMER: Yes.
MEMBER JACOBS: No.
MEMBER PHILIPS: No.
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